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Very cool. Mike is a RL member and an accomplished car journalist (Drive network, Motor Trend, House of Muscle). I spoke to him when he bought this car. Super nice guy and loves cars. Very nice article. Thanks for sharing!
First of all thanks for the link Bob.
As a fellow 86.5 owner I was all over it, licking my chops!
Then, and I hate to be a downer here, I realized the author managed to disparage the previous owner of the car somehow.
I read it twice but got the same passive aggressive undertones.
The car is s great example, and everything was well sorted. The PO did meticulous and clean work. He helped me wrench on my own car many times, there were no cut corners and no languishing due to skill or Money as the author implies.
Sorry, but that’s dirty pool to make those statements in print if not based on any facts.
But here’s a fact: The car had a PPI by an elite shop here in STL, and they would agree with me about the quality of the work done.
Thanks for the article Bob!
So happy the shark is finally getting steady interests and realization of just how truly special the car has always been from the wider car enthusiast audience.
looks like I’m keeping mine for a little while longer.
Hate to be the critic, but we don't have 'double wishbone all around'. Nor do we have passive rear wheel steering. Nor do we have an ammeter. Also no fuel pressure gauge. But we do have a temp gauge.
As for the do not buy it without full paperwork history - period. Well, I guess I'm the stupid one.
I'm glad he likes his car, and enjoys it for what it is, and what it is not.
Maybe I have been misunderstood for a while, but is it incorrect to characterize the Weissach axle's ability to toe in the rear wheels during cornering as "passive"? Maybe it is. The wiki-page at least thinks so, but maybe it needs correcting?
Originally Posted by docmirror
As for the do not buy it without full paperwork history - period. Well, I guess I'm the stupid one.
I think this article's target audience is clearly those unfamiliar with 928s. Good advice for someone wanting to get their first 928. Of course I personally ignored that same advice and bought my first 928 sight unseen with no paperwork at all. But had I'd been looking for a get-in-it-and-go example, I would have been sorely disappointed.
Nate, I'd like to care enough to argue with a Wiki which is completely unsourced material. Meh, call it passive steering if you like. Doesn't matter.
Suspension geometry is typically set at a nominal values for caster, camber, and toe at a defined static point. 'Steering' is defined as angular pitch of front wheel(s)(except the Reliant) collectively. Mix it all together, sprinkle it with chocolate and call it whatever one likes.
I guess as an engineer, it bothers me when someone moves one part of one setting of one wheel and calls it; '<adjective> steering'. I'll try to be less **** retentive, but - it's a lotta work.
Nate, I'd like to care enough to argue with a Wiki which is completely unsourced material. Meh, call it passive steering if you like. Doesn't matter.
Suspension geometry is typically set at a nominal values for caster, camber, and toe at a defined static point. 'Steering' is defined as angular pitch of front wheel(s)(except the Reliant) collectively. Mix it all together, sprinkle it with chocolate and call it whatever one likes.
I guess as an engineer, it bothers me when someone moves one part of one setting of one wheel and calls it; '<adjective> steering'. I'll try to be less **** retentive, but - it's a lotta work.
Hey as an engineer as well (aero) I am afflicted with that same disease. And since we are picking nits, the definition of steering probably started with boats not cars. And of course tracked vehicles have there own way of 'steering'. I call that aggressive steering. Cheers doc.
Excellent article and captures the car and ownership experience well. I have often chuckled at uninformed individuals stating/repeating the false mantra that the 928 is so expensive to maintain. Expensive to maintain are early 911's with engines that need to be rebuilt every 100k or 3.2 Carreras that eat valve guides. But I digress.
The 928 is a car that you could drive straight through Hell and come out the other side saying to yourself; "Was it hot in there?"
Satisfying to the core with the best seats for long distance travel and ergonomics that come to hand without thinking, looking for or fiddling about.
As for the do not buy it without full paperwork history - period. Well, I guess I'm the stupid one.
Same here, but what works for you and I isn't the greatest advice for someone 100% new to the car collecting hobby or 928's.
As for the Weissach discussion....there are many "official" Porsche publications referencing passive steering when describing how it works.
From an engineering standpoint you are probably 100% correct. From a marketing standpoint....when has that ever mattered? Mercedes is selling a giant 4-door and calling it a "coupe".
Originally Posted by 928 GT R
The 928 is a car that you could drive straight through Hell and come out the other side saying to yourself; "Was it hot in there?"
That's because the A/C is broken and the heat is stuck in full "on" mode so you didn't notice the increase in ambient temps.
"Winkel einstellende, selbst stabilisierende Ausgleichs-Charakteristik" (angle-adjusting, self-stabilizing equalization characteristic) = 'passive rear wheel steering'. None of that says 'steering' to me, but admit my German is pretty lumpig. (one of the very few words I recall from service in Weisbaden air base, circa mid 70s)
Oh - those fun loving Germans! I haven't seen(and won't be looking for) any Porsche documentation on it. Once again - meh, it isn't, but - fine with me.
The article in Christophorus that Bob V linked is about the rear steering via the soft forward bushings in the rear lower control arms.
I too too bought mine sight-unseen, but paperwork came with the car. At a previous employer, one of the engineers had raved about a friend’s 928, saying he just changed the oil, tires and spark plugs. Otherwise bulletproof for the first 100k. I wouldn’t call it bulletproof but mine has been very reliable. Much more so than the Dino or the ‘Goose, or any of the British stuff I’d played with.
07-11-2018, 02:28 PM
Hagerty article on 1986.5 928
Cheers doc.
