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Old 06-16-2018, 09:59 PM
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My signature says "starts on a bump" but that has changed. Today I noticed that I had to crank for about 5 seconds before she chugged to life. Driving is perfect but I also noticed a distinct gas smell just after she fired when I got out of the car.
I installed new cold start injector and the other injector (cant remember the name) when I got her dialed in a couple of years ago.
To you respected members, what could it be now?
Old 06-17-2018, 06:47 AM
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68 views and crickets.....
Its Fathers Day, someone help me out, please....

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How old are your fuel lines? How old are your fuel pressure regulators? I hope they're not still original. If they are, you could have a leak.

After sitting a while, say 2 weeks, my car never starts right up. What I've learned to do is quickly bump the starter, enough to get the fuel pump running, and then stop cranking the motor. Listen to the fuel pump whine as it builds pressure. Then when the fuel pump shuts off go ahead and start. It then fires right up.
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Another fairly obvious choice might be the battery - check the voltage across the terminals and make sure it has juice sufficient for a crisp start.
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I will tell you that I have a rather large battery that is not weak and the connections are good. The regulators are probably original, however. This has not happened over time, it was quite sudden. I will look under the hood for signs of leaking, but wouldnt they leak all the time?
Thanking you for the feedback and hoping for more.
Walt
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Hey Walt, Happy Father’s Day.

I can get a hard start with just sitting.
Traditionally, if I have a big project where she is out of commission for awhile, it’s a going to be a bear to start. Like I need a WOT start to blow out cobwebs.

Other things I guess, in addition to what is posted above: any connection in proximity to the air box if you were changing filter. CPS, MAF, Temp 2.
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Originally Posted by 928S MN
What I've learned to do is quickly bump the starter, enough to get the fuel pump running, and then stop cranking the motor. Listen to the fuel pump whine as it builds pressure. Then when the fuel pump shuts off go ahead and start. It then fires right up.
To the OP (Walt), try this a few times and see if you get the same results(in red above). If so, among the other great suggestions made, also check the fuel pump check valve because it appears to be loosing it's prime (regulators can also do this).

Hope that helps,

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I changed all of the fuel lines, forgot to mention that.
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Happiest of Fathers Days to you fathers out there. The fuel pump check valve is a possibiity. What about my cold start and thero-time injector / relay? would there still be pressure in my fuel rails overnight if the fuel pump check valve leaked down? Is the check valve a seperate unit (I
cant remember)?
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Fuel pressure regulator and dampers. Did all three and it cured my hard starts, cold and warm.

Happy Father's Day too!
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did you ever inspect the 3 way junction under the right front fender? ,
they snap apart,
this would account for a fuel smell if your fuel lines are good
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Three way under my right fender? I dont know of anything within the fender..Elaborate please.
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Does this model year have a fuel accumulator in addition to the pump, like my 79 does or is that only on the pre-CIS cars? If so, that could be leaking or clogged up. Mine is in the Passenger side rear fender near the filter.

Also, doesn't just turning the key to the accessory position run the fuel pump for an initial prime - mine does - or again, maybe that's another difference with the early cars.
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Originally Posted by WALTSTAR
Three way under my right fender? I dont know of anything within the fender..Elaborate please.
I think he means near the charcoal canister and next to washer res. Remove the wheel well liner. There is a plastic "Y" connector in there that breaks, Roger? has a metal replacement I think.
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get a cheap pressure gauge...measure fuel pressure at rails. start the car, let it run, check pressure. shut off the engine, watch for pressure to drop. based on what you said, it's likely to drop. if it doesn't, your problem isn't related to the fuel system.


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