Go get a Boxster!
06-13-2018, 07:30 PM
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Hacker is a hair dresser, of course his heart is set on the Boxster.
This thread is further proof this forum can screw up a wet dream and get people arguing about it.
This thread is further proof this forum can screw up a wet dream and get people arguing about it.
06-13-2018, 07:45 PM
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Did you fall out of the wrong side of the bed today? 
I have edited none of my posts in this thread, all my comments are there to see. You're trying to make something out of nothing.
Yes I disagreed with your comment that you get a "ton more car" with a 996, unless we are literally talking about size and weight. I figured you would have caught on I was being facetious with that comment....I'll try to keep things more literal going forward.
I didn't dismiss the POV, I just disagree with it. I don't agree the Elise is necessarily "better", just a different car, they both have their ups and downs (as all cars do). If I bought an Elise instead of a Boxster it wouldn't be because I saved up to buy a "better" car, it would be because I simply wanted an Elise instead. I have a feeling some day we will own both.
Now, if the Elise was $100,000 that would change things, it would also be grossly overpriced
Practicality is the only real difference in my mind that separates the two when deciding between them.
With an Elise I have another car on par with my replica Cobra, with the Boxster a possible DD (including winter) and even good for extended road trips. Not that I wouldn't take the Cobra or an Elise on a road trip, those are like owning a motorcycle, takes a bit more planning....and less shopping by the wife.
You getting me confused with my wife again? I'm surprised you didn't mention the Beetles
No kidding....
I have edited none of my posts in this thread, all my comments are there to see. You're trying to make something out of nothing.
Yes I disagreed with your comment that you get a "ton more car" with a 996, unless we are literally talking about size and weight. I figured you would have caught on I was being facetious with that comment....I'll try to keep things more literal going forward.
You seem to be isolating this conversation solely into whether a person should or shouldn't buy an early Boxster. Without any alternative.
(FWIW, I don't understand why you post a photo of an Elise and then dismiss a POV on it).
If thats your angle (early-Boxster or no early-Boxster), then I'll say this:
I'd rather walk until i'd established the means for something better. I'd have the self-esteem until then that I didn't have to compromise.
(FWIW, I don't understand why you post a photo of an Elise and then dismiss a POV on it).
If thats your angle (early-Boxster or no early-Boxster), then I'll say this:
I'd rather walk until i'd established the means for something better. I'd have the self-esteem until then that I didn't have to compromise.
Now, if the Elise was $100,000 that would change things, it would also be grossly overpriced
Practicality is the only real difference in my mind that separates the two when deciding between them.
With an Elise I have another car on par with my replica Cobra, with the Boxster a possible DD (including winter) and even good for extended road trips. Not that I wouldn't take the Cobra or an Elise on a road trip, those are like owning a motorcycle, takes a bit more planning....and less shopping by the wife.
You getting me confused with my wife again? I'm surprised you didn't mention the Beetles
No kidding....
06-13-2018, 08:13 PM
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When I'm being facetious, I leave clues. For you to ignore apparently. Keep harping on 'weight' and 'go kart' and I took it to its logical conclusion.
BTW, since we're correcting people here, it is not "Opal GT" but "Opel GT", unless of course, you were talking about the things found inside compressed/fractured aggregates.
have a nice evening
edit to add: As NewC said, Boxster or walk. Nice warm night for a stroll I say. This from the guy who drove the Every Panel Dented Focus for years...
06-13-2018, 08:35 PM
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Yes...and? What's your point? It's common to reply only to the portion of a post one is replying to. You said a lot of things in a lot of posts, I was only addressing some of it.
You seem to be implying I'm editing things to change the tone or meaning of my posts. Nothing could be further from the truth, none of my posts have been edited in this thread, not even for grammar or spelling mistakes.
Maybe sarcastic would have been a better word to use then? Seemed rather obvious with my post.
The Boxster is lighter than a 996 and many people refer to them as "go carts" so....?
.....and we've reached the point in such threads where grammar & spelling become the focus
This is starting to feel like a conversation with Kibort.
You seem to be implying I'm editing things to change the tone or meaning of my posts. Nothing could be further from the truth, none of my posts have been edited in this thread, not even for grammar or spelling mistakes.
This is starting to feel like a conversation with Kibort.
06-13-2018, 09:14 PM
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06-13-2018, 09:38 PM
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Riiiiiight...... swing and a miss. Who came into a nice thread discussing the virtues of picking up a Boxster declaring we should all buy 911's instead?
It wasn't me.....
06-13-2018, 09:53 PM
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Absolutely correct. It is an alternator bearing that was designed to be used where the center race is stationary and the outer race spins, but the Intermediate shaft application has the outer race stationary and the inner race spinning. The bearing fails because the oil it sits in penetrates the grease seal on the bearing, which washes out the sealed lubrication grease, but with the seal in place, it also does not allow for enough fresh oil to lubricate the bearing so the oil that's trapped in the bearing by the seals wears down, gets too hot, and fails to lubricate. This is why on the larger, non-serviceable bearing cars, removing the outer grease seal is a good idea as it exposes the bearing to a constant source of fresh oil.
There are two very demanding circumstances for the IMS bearing, which the worst and harshest condition when the car is idling. Because there's no centrifugal force to allow the internal bearing components to self-center, thus reducing the load, the bearing is under the greatest load when the engine is spinning the slowest. The other situation that effects the larger, single row bearing is continuous high-RPM track work. Because the bearing type used is an incorrect spec, running at high RPMs for extended periods actually has the surface speed of the bearing exceed it's design parameters because of it's larger diameter. For exclusive track duty, the small, double-row bearing is the best choice and for street cars, the latest larger, single row bearing is the best choice - the small, single-row bearing is the worst of the 3 that were ever offered. The one advantage to either of the smaller bearings is that they can be replaced, and should be if you have or buy a car where this hasn't been done yet.
I've never pursued a Boxster myself, because my modified mid-engine 914 fills that pure sportscar slot for me with the mid-engine handling, and go-cart like feel. Each of my Porsches is very different which is why I have each one - the 914 is the pure, analog sportscar, the 928 does double-duty as both a comfortable GT car that is also a drop-top, the Cayenne is the family trip car, but with it's mods is actually extremely fast, and my RUF 997 is head and shoulders above any of the others, besting all the other in every category except cargo capacity.
There are two very demanding circumstances for the IMS bearing, which the worst and harshest condition when the car is idling. Because there's no centrifugal force to allow the internal bearing components to self-center, thus reducing the load, the bearing is under the greatest load when the engine is spinning the slowest. The other situation that effects the larger, single row bearing is continuous high-RPM track work. Because the bearing type used is an incorrect spec, running at high RPMs for extended periods actually has the surface speed of the bearing exceed it's design parameters because of it's larger diameter. For exclusive track duty, the small, double-row bearing is the best choice and for street cars, the latest larger, single row bearing is the best choice - the small, single-row bearing is the worst of the 3 that were ever offered. The one advantage to either of the smaller bearings is that they can be replaced, and should be if you have or buy a car where this hasn't been done yet.
I've never pursued a Boxster myself, because my modified mid-engine 914 fills that pure sportscar slot for me with the mid-engine handling, and go-cart like feel. Each of my Porsches is very different which is why I have each one - the 914 is the pure, analog sportscar, the 928 does double-duty as both a comfortable GT car that is also a drop-top, the Cayenne is the family trip car, but with it's mods is actually extremely fast, and my RUF 997 is head and shoulders above any of the others, besting all the other in every category except cargo capacity.
Pete! A RUF ( and I’m pronouncing it correctly as Roooof)...
Way cool. Is it all that they talk about?
It’s got an amazing reputation.
Did you catch that article in R&T last month?
They are still sitting on NOS shells bought from Porsche at the end of the air-cooler run.
06-13-2018, 11:01 PM
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We had a 1st gen Boxster S for a while, did a few road trips in both. Overall comfort cannot say one stood out more than the other except there is more elbow and headroom in the 928
However, the Boxster is a go-cart by comparison. Our '01 S tips the scales over 600lbs lighter than a typical 32V 928 with "only" 250bhp the power / weight ratios are very close.
It's a pure sports car we are trying to compare to a GT, different worlds.
Gas mileage advantage all day long to the Boxster. Trip to SIH with the A/C cranked (or the top down) with the cruise regularly set to 80+ we averaged over 30mpg.
Cargo space is also ridiculous. You'll be surprised how much stuff you can cram into both trunks.
That may be, but if you have one with the original bearing it's always going to bug you.
IMO the only aspect of a Boxster being "easier" to work on is age. Less fatigued parts, no TB to worry about but I'll take a clutch job on a 928 all day long compared to a Boxster.
For any 928 owner sensitive to negative comments should not buy one. You have to suck it up and accept the fact you are driving the "Barbie Porsche".
We'll get another one someday, hard top option for winter with snow tires.
However, the Boxster is a go-cart by comparison. Our '01 S tips the scales over 600lbs lighter than a typical 32V 928 with "only" 250bhp the power / weight ratios are very close.
It's a pure sports car we are trying to compare to a GT, different worlds.
Gas mileage advantage all day long to the Boxster. Trip to SIH with the A/C cranked (or the top down) with the cruise regularly set to 80+ we averaged over 30mpg.
Cargo space is also ridiculous. You'll be surprised how much stuff you can cram into both trunks.
That may be, but if you have one with the original bearing it's always going to bug you.
IMO the only aspect of a Boxster being "easier" to work on is age. Less fatigued parts, no TB to worry about but I'll take a clutch job on a 928 all day long compared to a Boxster.
For any 928 owner sensitive to negative comments should not buy one. You have to suck it up and accept the fact you are driving the "Barbie Porsche".
We'll get another one someday, hard top option for winter with snow tires.
06-14-2018, 10:25 AM
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The 914 is also on my radar, but I see no point in owning a 914 and a Boxster, just as I see no point in owning a 996 and a 928. In both cases, I'd use them for the same general purpose. (Which is the real reason I didn't buy your 996, Doc: I'm not ready to give up my 928!)
06-14-2018, 10:39 AM
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Every 100k you just replace the head gaskets, piece of cake!
Thanks a lot...you've got me shopping for Boxsters, again. Buy the cheapest one that runs with good paint / interior. Pop in a new bearing, clutch, tires, brakes....beat the living tar out of it for many many years and 10's of thousands of miles.
06-14-2018, 10:58 AM
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FWIW, there's a 2002 Box on BaT that looks pretty sweet. https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...ign=2018-06-14
06-14-2018, 10:59 AM
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I *think* the early cars had stronger double row IMS bearings so 2000 and earlier. 2001-2005 was the danger zone with the smaller single row bearings. 2006 is when they moved to the larger single row bearings like the 997 and it's usually a big jump in price from a 2001-2005 to a 2006, like 30+%. Supposedly you shouldn't fear a 2006+ or 1997-2000 engine with the double row. The incidence of IMS failure is apparently a lot lower on those cars.
06-14-2018, 11:05 AM
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FWIW, there's a 2002 Box on BaT that looks pretty sweet. https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2002-porsche-boxster-s-7/?utm_source=dailymail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2018-06-14
I really want that dark red or tan interior though.