R12 Refrigerant Availability
06-11-2018, 04:29 PM
#16
Tracy,
I'm not disputing your intentions to help a Rennlister. Nor am I undermining or criticizing what you want per can. That agreement is up to Bertrand and yourself. I just thought the mailing of the cans, of what the PO or EPA considers "Hazardous Material" is more complicated. Maybe it isn't.
I'm not disputing your intentions to help a Rennlister. Nor am I undermining or criticizing what you want per can. That agreement is up to Bertrand and yourself. I just thought the mailing of the cans, of what the PO or EPA considers "Hazardous Material" is more complicated. Maybe it isn't.
06-11-2018, 06:34 PM
#17
Rennlist Member
Interesting.Here is the EPA wording from Red Tek's FAQ page (assuming they copied it correctly)
"Does RED TEK® 12a™ need EPA approval? A. RED TEK® 12a™ is a second generation, non-ozone depleting replacement for R-134a and all other non-ozone depleting R-12 substitutes. The EPA's Final Rule, issued April 1, 1994, states: "In this final rule, the Agency has determined that second generation replacements, if they are non-ozone depleting and are replacing non-ozone depleting first generation alternatives, are exempt from reporting requirements under Section 612".
So what if you have a leak in your AC system and all of the R12 has already been vented into the atmosphere? Now you go and get the AC leak repaired. Can you then refill it with R12A? In this case you are technically not "replacing" anything.
"Does RED TEK® 12a™ need EPA approval? A. RED TEK® 12a™ is a second generation, non-ozone depleting replacement for R-134a and all other non-ozone depleting R-12 substitutes. The EPA's Final Rule, issued April 1, 1994, states: "In this final rule, the Agency has determined that second generation replacements, if they are non-ozone depleting and are replacing non-ozone depleting first generation alternatives, are exempt from reporting requirements under Section 612".
So what if you have a leak in your AC system and all of the R12 has already been vented into the atmosphere? Now you go and get the AC leak repaired. Can you then refill it with R12A? In this case you are technically not "replacing" anything.
06-11-2018, 07:53 PM
#18
Burning Brakes
Have you checked craigslist or your local facebook market place? Average price in my area is $25 a can and I can literally buy it all day long. When I see someone selling at $15 or less for 14oz cans, I pick it up for the heck of it. Bought 3 cans for $45 about 2 weeks ago.
The demand is so low and price so cheap, there's no point in all the labor and expense of doing a PROPER 134a conversion or paying the same amount for r-12 alternatives.
The demand is so low and price so cheap, there's no point in all the labor and expense of doing a PROPER 134a conversion or paying the same amount for r-12 alternatives.
06-12-2018, 12:33 PM
#21
Bertrand,
I just found a local guy selling one 18lb and one 30lb. I'm probably going to pick up the 18lb for my self. Let me know if you want to stock up.
Adam
I just found a local guy selling one 18lb and one 30lb. I'm probably going to pick up the 18lb for my self. Let me know if you want to stock up.
Adam
06-12-2018, 12:51 PM
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06-12-2018, 01:06 PM
#24
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R12 is more efficient than the alternatives so if you can preserve using that in your car, you should. I found a 30 lb canister on Craigslist that I picked up a couple years ago for a few hundred dollars and only my 928 uses it so should be good for life or pretty close to it.
06-12-2018, 03:13 PM
#25
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Does it have the "Do It Yourself" manual transmission, or the superior "Fully Equipped by Porsche" Automatic Transmission?
George Layton March 2014928 Owners are ".....a secret sect of quietly assured Porsche pragmatists who in near anonymity appreciate the prodigious, easy going prowess of the 928."
06-13-2018, 06:04 PM
#29
Rennlist Member
Check Craig's List. There are many small cans for sale.
And one 30lb sealed can: (https://stlouis.craigslist.org/mat/d...601158301.html)
This one is pricey. Two years ago I purchased 30lbs for $100. Timing is everything.
And one 30lb sealed can: (https://stlouis.craigslist.org/mat/d...601158301.html)
This one is pricey. Two years ago I purchased 30lbs for $100. Timing is everything.
02-23-2019, 02:42 PM
#30
Drifting
Have you checked craigslist or your local facebook market place? Average price in my area is $25 a can and I can literally buy it all day long. When I see someone selling at $15 or less for 14oz cans, I pick it up for the heck of it. Bought 3 cans for $45 about 2 weeks ago.
The demand is so low and price so cheap, there's no point in all the labor and expense of doing a PROPER 134a conversion or paying the same amount for r-12 alternatives.
The demand is so low and price so cheap, there's no point in all the labor and expense of doing a PROPER 134a conversion or paying the same amount for r-12 alternatives.
Stan pointed me in this direction via PM. I just sourced three 12oz bottles this week from a guy who lives about 5 minutes away. $75 for the three.