Neat oil neck baffle....
04-18-2018, 09:13 PM
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It was bad enough on his first thread trying to underhandedly try and sell some parts by saying what he did, then deny he was going to sell any. But now to have one of his buddies post another thread, Roger showing the dudes UK Ebay link and a copy paste of Gregs advertisement. That's some real low brow copy stuff. Next we will find out some Shanghai lady boi popped these out for $15.00
04-19-2018, 06:55 AM
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04-19-2018, 09:28 AM
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I sure did. You were offering a reproduction of an NLA part. And yes the price was a tad high, but the reason I never followed up was that you posted a copy of Greg's baffle.
04-19-2018, 10:33 AM
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I think we can all agree that Seth is the real victim here. He was the one who posted about combining Devek's baffles with Greg's oil control - which is what Potdog's product looks like. https://rennlist.com/forums/928-foru...questions.html
Kidding aside, heart goes out to you, Greg. This has got to feel like a kick to the nuts every time this happens.
Kidding aside, heart goes out to you, Greg. This has got to feel like a kick to the nuts every time this happens.
04-19-2018, 11:06 AM
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Another GREAT reason to only purchase and support these type of parts from one of our 928 community's respected parts and service suppliers.
It is so easy to copy someones inventive work, even if it is cheaper and an exact copy, I'd never support his efforts, I'd be pissed off too, so **** off !!!
The statement that was made "... Time is irrelevant. .." shows and wreaks of the ignorance.
It is so easy to copy someones inventive work, even if it is cheaper and an exact copy, I'd never support his efforts, I'd be pissed off too, so **** off !!!
The statement that was made "... Time is irrelevant. .." shows and wreaks of the ignorance.
04-19-2018, 11:10 AM
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04-19-2018, 12:27 PM
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I am embarrassed to say he is "British".
If he is going to sell copies of other peeps products he better become a sponsor.
I also posted on the UK 928 Board to see how the UK 928 community views these type of antics.
Hi Guys,
It has been 20 years since I left Blighty. Maybe things have changed.
https://rennlist.com/forums/928-foru...l#post14951680
We have one of the UK 928 community selling a copy of a oil baffle made by Greg Brown here in the States. His handle on Rennlist is “potdog” and IIRC his name is Peter and he has an SE.
Ethics here in the USA frown on this type of direct plagiarizing and I wonder what you think in the UK?
If you believe it to be OK I will leave it alone.
Thanks for reading.
Roger
If he is going to sell copies of other peeps products he better become a sponsor.
I also posted on the UK 928 Board to see how the UK 928 community views these type of antics.
Hi Guys,
It has been 20 years since I left Blighty. Maybe things have changed.
https://rennlist.com/forums/928-foru...l#post14951680
We have one of the UK 928 community selling a copy of a oil baffle made by Greg Brown here in the States. His handle on Rennlist is “potdog” and IIRC his name is Peter and he has an SE.
Ethics here in the USA frown on this type of direct plagiarizing and I wonder what you think in the UK?
If you believe it to be OK I will leave it alone.
Thanks for reading.
Roger
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Does it have the "Do It Yourself" manual transmission, or the superior "Fully Equipped by Porsche" Automatic Transmission?
George Layton March 2014928 Owners are ".....a secret sect of quietly assured Porsche pragmatists who in near anonymity appreciate the prodigious, easy going prowess of the 928."
04-19-2018, 12:34 PM
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My condolences to Greg Brown - I know how things like this feel... It might be one thing for a competitor to have developed a similar design, but theft of another's ideas, not to mention taking advantage of all of the experience and work that went into the design, is still theft, and there does not seem to be any claim that potdog's design is anything other than a copy of Greg's. Instead, he seems to have admitted copying as well as implying that he will incorporate into his product further elements of Gregs design that he was not aware of. This, and the disingenuous verbiage in the UK advertising is very unfortunate.
Integrity and ethics: at least he could offer Greg a substantial royalty.
Integrity and ethics: at least he could offer Greg a substantial royalty.
04-19-2018, 12:55 PM
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Read to post and assimilate mentally THIRTY THREE DOLLARS FOR TEN i was to quick at pressing key board so not THREE HUNDRED AND THIRTY THREE .
04-19-2018, 01:27 PM
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https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Porsche-9...oAAOSw4E1a0X9y
I agree about the angles. Lots sold in America or GB has sold a lot in America 8>)
I agree about the angles. Lots sold in America or GB has sold a lot in America 8>)
It was bad enough on his first thread trying to underhandedly try and sell some parts by saying what he did, then deny he was going to sell any. But now to have one of his buddies post another thread, Roger showing the dudes UK Ebay link and a copy paste of Gregs advertisement. That's some real low brow copy stuff...
The blatant intellectual property ripoff, or the blatant false advertising.
The ad could at least say something like;
"Blatant copy of a piece that has sold hundreds in the US."
I gotta love the fact that the ad touts how many were sold in the US, yet says it won't ship to the US.
While I disagree with Greg on a variety of things, and he can be a bit of a grumpy curmudgeon from time to time, he does make some very cool products.
Seeing him ripped off in this was pisses me off quite a bit.
And just out of curiosity, what effects do the design flaws that the copy has generate?
I would find it rather amusing if the flaws would cause issues that would damage the engine.
I don't always enjoy it when other people have trouble or problems, but if the folks who made these copies ended up blowing up a motor or two, I wouldn't be too sad.
I would feel at least a little bit bad if folks who unwittingly bought one of these suffered damage, but given that the word about the piracy is getting spread, anyone who buys one of these should have the info.
04-19-2018, 01:41 PM
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I am embarrassed to say he is "British".
If he is going to sell copies of other peeps products he better become a sponsor.
I also posted on the UK 928 Board to see how the UK 928 community views these type of antics.
Hi Guys,
It has been 20 years since I left Blighty. Maybe things have changed.
https://rennlist.com/forums/928-foru...l#post14951680
We have one of the UK 928 community selling a copy of a oil baffle made by Greg Brown here in the States. His handle on Rennlist is potdog and IIRC his name is Peter and he has an SE.
Ethics here in the USA frown on this type of direct plagiarizing and I wonder what you think in the UK?
If you believe it to be OK I will leave it alone.
Thanks for reading.
Roger
If he is going to sell copies of other peeps products he better become a sponsor.
I also posted on the UK 928 Board to see how the UK 928 community views these type of antics.
Hi Guys,
It has been 20 years since I left Blighty. Maybe things have changed.
https://rennlist.com/forums/928-foru...l#post14951680
We have one of the UK 928 community selling a copy of a oil baffle made by Greg Brown here in the States. His handle on Rennlist is potdog and IIRC his name is Peter and he has an SE.
Ethics here in the USA frown on this type of direct plagiarizing and I wonder what you think in the UK?
If you believe it to be OK I will leave it alone.
Thanks for reading.
Roger
04-19-2018, 02:04 PM
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But ok for you to be plagiarizing the out side door weather seals ?.
If Porsche have discontinued a part and you get copies made, that would seem to be okay. If Porsche are charging ten times a sensible price for a part and you have copies made to sell at a sensible price, is that still okay? When I had power steering hoses made up, was I cheating Porsche or just being sensible.
Just looking quickly at that thread, it seems there are two issues, one is that someone is copying someone else's design and secondly, they are selling them as if they are the "original" design without saying that they are a copy, and an incomplete copy at that.
I think intent is important in deciding what is reasonable. If the intent is to profit from someone else's work, and deception is involved, I would say that that is clearly wrong, if the intention is to help out fellow 928-ers, I would have less problem with it.
Just looking quickly at that thread, it seems there are two issues, one is that someone is copying someone else's design and secondly, they are selling them as if they are the "original" design without saying that they are a copy, and an incomplete copy at that.
I think intent is important in deciding what is reasonable. If the intent is to profit from someone else's work, and deception is involved, I would say that that is clearly wrong, if the intention is to help out fellow 928-ers, I would have less problem with it.
