‘87 S4 No Spark 155k miles
03-19-2018, 10:16 AM
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They are just trying to get you to realize that you have one of the best resources in the 928 world at your disposal. You should not ignore the recommendations from Stan and Dave by bringing it to anyone else than Sean.Some of us would love to have Dave, Stan, or Sean nearby to lean on when we have reached the limits of our ability to repair our 928.
03-19-2018, 11:00 AM
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The number one problem is the dealer will only fix what's broken or what they see as broken, they will not do preventative work and they will not use alternate sources for some of the pricey parts. For that Roger and Sean are your best bet, end of story.
03-19-2018, 11:03 AM
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I understand what you are saying, but they are not being helpful in this case; too ****. Last week when I was about to get the old gas out, even before they knew what condition the fuel was in, they were telling me I needed to drop the tank and have it cleaned by a radiator shop because I probably had a rusted return line; all of that was deemed mandatory before I even drained the fuel! I took a pass.
This is a non running car that actually ran two days ago for the first time in 10 years. The kind person that initially suggested the top end this morning was probably on to something regarding corrosion at contacts; I need to follow that up. Also the first reply regarding the dampers, although I can’t link them to no spark, they were initially involved with it running rich. And the suggestion regarding the Crank Position Sensor. All of these are what I would call helpful.
I’m sure that Sean is excellent, but not sure why all of the worshipping of him though. A 928 is just a car, an old technology actually, there isn’t anything on these cars that requires 20 years of study to understand.
I will leave the thread open, who knows I might get helpful advice that actually starts the car, that is all I want, I may have gotten it already with regards to corrosion.
Thanks for reaching out, but I understand the different types of people on this forum, you’re one of the nice ones!
03-19-2018, 11:41 AM
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Looking at the crumbling connectors, you should definitely replace the CPS because that is the more likely candidate to cause your no spark. Also, to change the knock sensors you will have to pull the intake to replace. I used this great resource from Dwayne to do my intake refresh. http://dwaynesgarage.norcal928.org/1...%20Refresh.htm. I also used his TB/WP guidance. Hope this helps.
03-19-2018, 01:01 PM
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This is a tight group bud. And the advise you are being given is the correct advice.
I was was going to help a friend with a motorcycle. The rear frame had been modified and the wiring was all taped, etc.
I said ill get you working with a new loom and a new rear frame for the seat. I’ll help you with that and we will do it right. He said it wasn’t worth that and that we should just hack it up to fix it. I said, I don’t work that way.
And neither would many peope here - for free or for payment.
The stealer is the absolutle opposite and wrong way to think about this.
I was was going to help a friend with a motorcycle. The rear frame had been modified and the wiring was all taped, etc.
I said ill get you working with a new loom and a new rear frame for the seat. I’ll help you with that and we will do it right. He said it wasn’t worth that and that we should just hack it up to fix it. I said, I don’t work that way.
And neither would many peope here - for free or for payment.
The stealer is the absolutle opposite and wrong way to think about this.
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03-19-2018, 02:02 PM
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Yikes! You need to stick with classic Camaros. You really don't seem to know much about what were once top of the line, sophisticated exotic cars. Just cause they got old didn't mean they got simple.
03-19-2018, 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by BYAIC;14880099A
928 is just a car, an old technology actually, there isn’t anything on these cars that requires 20 years of study to understand.
I'm friends with a few independent mechanics, they are rapidly cutting back on the number of cars made before 1996 they will work on.
Why 1996? ODBII Computers
Any kind of electrical issue on a car made before ODBII requires above beginner levels of electronics. On a "modern" car you plug in and talk to the computer, on a 928 you pull out the milti-meter, oscilloscope, wiring diagram and go fishing. The skills needed for such diagnosing is one step behind knowing how to set points, it's not even taught at most schools these days unless you take an elective class on electrical theory.
Why don't we backup a few steps, why did you spray WD-40 into a vacuum line?
"It had spark back then but fuel stopped getting to the injectors."
I may have missed a post, have you successfully tested the fuel pump and you have full pressure at the rail? If not, you still haven't fixed the known issue from 10 years ago.
03-19-2018, 02:34 PM
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This is a tight group bud. And the advise you are being given is the correct advice.
I was was going to help a friend with a motorcycle. The rear frame had been modified and the wiring was all taped, etc.
I said ill get you foung with a new loom and a new rear frame for the seat. I’ll help you with that and we will do it right. He said it wasn’t worth that and that we should just hack it up to fix it. I said, I don’t work that way.
And neither would many peope here - for free or for payment.
The stealer is the absolutle opposite and wrong way to think about this.
I was was going to help a friend with a motorcycle. The rear frame had been modified and the wiring was all taped, etc.
I said ill get you foung with a new loom and a new rear frame for the seat. I’ll help you with that and we will do it right. He said it wasn’t worth that and that we should just hack it up to fix it. I said, I don’t work that way.
And neither would many peope here - for free or for payment.
The stealer is the absolutle opposite and wrong way to think about this.
You and a few others spend a lot of time here putting down others that hold differing opinions. Why waste your time?
If the car gets spark and starts I might consider top end, the injector work was actually satisfying to accomplish, or price it out. But in this case I own this car and I make the decisions related to it, so once you and others finally recognize that fact I can stop getting email notifications that some assh@le has left me another stupid reply.
None of your tight group would even have the ***** to turn the key on this car if you did own it without tearing it apart first.
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03-19-2018, 02:57 PM
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Unfortunately you couldn't be more wrong here.
I'm friends with a few independent mechanics, they are rapidly cutting back on the number of cars made before 1996 they will work on.
Why 1996? ODBII Computers
Any kind of electrical issue on a car made before ODBII requires above beginner levels of electronics. On a "modern" car you plug in and talk to the computer, on a 928 you pull out the milti-meter, oscilloscope, wiring diagram and go fishing. The skills needed for such diagnosing is one step behind knowing how to set points, it's not even taught at most schools these days unless you take an elective class on electrical theory.
Why don't we backup a few steps, why did you spray WD-40 into a vacuum line?
"It had spark back then but fuel stopped getting to the injectors."
I may have missed a post, have you successfully tested the fuel pump and you have full pressure at the rail? If not, you still haven't fixed the known issue from 10 years ago.
I'm friends with a few independent mechanics, they are rapidly cutting back on the number of cars made before 1996 they will work on.
Why 1996? ODBII Computers
Any kind of electrical issue on a car made before ODBII requires above beginner levels of electronics. On a "modern" car you plug in and talk to the computer, on a 928 you pull out the milti-meter, oscilloscope, wiring diagram and go fishing. The skills needed for such diagnosing is one step behind knowing how to set points, it's not even taught at most schools these days unless you take an elective class on electrical theory.
Why don't we backup a few steps, why did you spray WD-40 into a vacuum line?
"It had spark back then but fuel stopped getting to the injectors."
I may have missed a post, have you successfully tested the fuel pump and you have full pressure at the rail? If not, you still haven't fixed the known issue from 10 years ago.
I’ve gotten some interesting tips from folks here that I want to explore when I recover from everything that’s been happening this past weekend.
Thank you for your interest.
03-19-2018, 03:45 PM
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I'd be interested to understand what you're going to troubleshoot and your sequence for doing so.
I chased a number of issues on my 1990 and all signs ultimately pointed back to a fried MAF and LH. I hope you or your technician take a systematic approach.
You probably have many issues due to the age of electrical components but hopefully not an endless journey to get this running again!
I chased a number of issues on my 1990 and all signs ultimately pointed back to a fried MAF and LH. I hope you or your technician take a systematic approach.
You probably have many issues due to the age of electrical components but hopefully not an endless journey to get this running again!
03-19-2018, 04:04 PM
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I'd be interested to understand what you're going to troubleshoot and your sequence for doing so.
I chased a number of issues on my 1990 and all signs ultimately pointed back to a fried MAF and LH. I hope you or your technician take a systematic approach.
You probably have many issues due to the age of electrical components but hopefully not an endless journey to get this running again!
I chased a number of issues on my 1990 and all signs ultimately pointed back to a fried MAF and LH. I hope you or your technician take a systematic approach.
You probably have many issues due to the age of electrical components but hopefully not an endless journey to get this running again!
One of the first things was to have the MAF checked, it was bad so the car has a new one. The LH was checked, it was fine. It just stopped getting gas, the fuel pump shredded impeller fooled everyone into believing the FP was working when it was really only just running and not pumping fuel.
Something happened to make it lose spark after it started briefly last week.
03-19-2018, 04:21 PM
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Nobody is ‘hacking’ anything up. I would agree with your thoughts about the bike, it would be my approach too; but it wasn’t your call to make, it was your friend’s and in the end that’s what matters.
You and a few others spend a lot of time here putting down others that hold differing opinions. Why waste your time?
If the car gets spark and starts I might consider top end, the injector work was actually satisfying to accomplish, or price it out. But in this case I own this car and I make the decisions related to it, so once you and others finally recognize that fact I can stop getting email notifications that some assh@le has left me another stupid reply.
None of your tight group would even have the ***** to turn the key on this car if you did own it without tearing it apart first.
03-19-2018, 09:05 PM
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Dear BYAIC,
Not sure what happened to your car and I am sure you are extremely frustrated with not being able to enjoy your lovely machine (I may be biased), but from personal experiences (having cars worked by Sean and Stan), I know that they are honest people. I may be on the young side here on Rennlist, but I can read people pretty well from what I have been through in life. Sorry to hear that you don't feel that way. Sometimes, the truth can hurt a little (that your car may need a mechanical restoration) and it requires one to take a step back and a deep breath to realize it.
Let's not have ego get in the way, be calm and hopefully you can eventually find the right person to get that car running! We all love 928s!
good luck-Hoi
Not sure what happened to your car and I am sure you are extremely frustrated with not being able to enjoy your lovely machine (I may be biased), but from personal experiences (having cars worked by Sean and Stan), I know that they are honest people. I may be on the young side here on Rennlist, but I can read people pretty well from what I have been through in life. Sorry to hear that you don't feel that way. Sometimes, the truth can hurt a little (that your car may need a mechanical restoration) and it requires one to take a step back and a deep breath to realize it.
Let's not have ego get in the way, be calm and hopefully you can eventually find the right person to get that car running! We all love 928s!
good luck-Hoi
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03-19-2018, 09:19 PM
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Dear BYAIC,
Not sure what happened to your car and I am sure you are extremely frustrated with not being able to enjoy your lovely machine (I may be biased), but from personally experiences (having cars worked by Sean and Stan), I know that they are honest people. I may be on the young side here on Rennlist, but I can read people pretty well from what I have been through in life. Sorry to hear that you don't feel that way. Sometimes, the truth can hurt a little (that your car may need a mechanical restoration) and it requires one to take a step back and a deep breath to realize it.
Let's not have ego get in the way, be calm and hopefully you can eventually find the right person to get that car running! We all love 928s!
good luck-Hoi
Not sure what happened to your car and I am sure you are extremely frustrated with not being able to enjoy your lovely machine (I may be biased), but from personally experiences (having cars worked by Sean and Stan), I know that they are honest people. I may be on the young side here on Rennlist, but I can read people pretty well from what I have been through in life. Sorry to hear that you don't feel that way. Sometimes, the truth can hurt a little (that your car may need a mechanical restoration) and it requires one to take a step back and a deep breath to realize it.
Let's not have ego get in the way, be calm and hopefully you can eventually find the right person to get that car running! We all love 928s!
good luck-Hoi
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03-19-2018, 09:42 PM
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Here's what I know. There were many times I called or emailed Roger (or Laura) and parts arrived before the request for payment. We're not talking $10 parts-could be $300-500. In spite of all the hours Roger puts in, his memory is as sharp as can be.
Sean answered calls and texts at all hours and talked me off the ledge many times. Stan gave me more time than I deserved but made sure to know all my options.
I watched Stan, Sean, Pete and a few others work in a Holiday Inn parking lot at one 928 Frenzy to get a 928 up and running. There was more 928 collective skill and knowledge in that parking lot than is left in all the Porsche NA Dealers put together.
Every piece of advice that's been offered at no cost and with no expectation or obligation, has been the correct advice.
God gave us 2 ears and one mouth. Listen twice as much as you speak.
Sean answered calls and texts at all hours and talked me off the ledge many times. Stan gave me more time than I deserved but made sure to know all my options.
I watched Stan, Sean, Pete and a few others work in a Holiday Inn parking lot at one 928 Frenzy to get a 928 up and running. There was more 928 collective skill and knowledge in that parking lot than is left in all the Porsche NA Dealers put together.
Every piece of advice that's been offered at no cost and with no expectation or obligation, has been the correct advice.
God gave us 2 ears and one mouth. Listen twice as much as you speak.
