For Stan - Mr. Merlin (and others who love classic engines)
11-05-2017, 09:32 AM
#16
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This thread is awesome, love the WWII birds!
11-05-2017, 11:38 AM
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Another airplane that use two of these fine engines, like the Mosquito, was the F-82 Twin Mustang. I had a close friend, a retired USAF Colonel, who had been a fighter pilot in the F-82. However, when he got shipped to Japan, probably at the start of the Korean conflict, someone looked at his history and decided that since he had a background in "multi engine" airplanes, to put him in something like the C-54. That was apparently the end of his fighter pilot career.
There is a kind of connection between some of what this thread is about, in addition to Stan, but it is kind of a stretch. I have two Navions, one a Navion built by Ryan in 1950 and the other one is a Navion L-17A/C which is the second one built for the Army in 1947. It was built by North American. The Navion was designed by the same Guy/Team as was the P-51. It has a very close family resemblance to the P-51. My NavionB also has a geared engine, much like the P-51, which includes basically a single speed manual transmission.
The connection that I see with the 928 and the Navion is based on such things as the following:
Being highly or over engineered;
Not lasting very long in the market;
Not holding much value in the market in later years;
Being a very nice and comfortable long distance traveler;
Being susceptible to many modifications.
And as a result they both lend themselves to being attracted to roughly the same kind of personalities.
See? I said it was kind of a stretch, but that is why I think I have been attracted to both.
There is a kind of connection between some of what this thread is about, in addition to Stan, but it is kind of a stretch. I have two Navions, one a Navion built by Ryan in 1950 and the other one is a Navion L-17A/C which is the second one built for the Army in 1947. It was built by North American. The Navion was designed by the same Guy/Team as was the P-51. It has a very close family resemblance to the P-51. My NavionB also has a geared engine, much like the P-51, which includes basically a single speed manual transmission.
The connection that I see with the 928 and the Navion is based on such things as the following:
Being highly or over engineered;
Not lasting very long in the market;
Not holding much value in the market in later years;
Being a very nice and comfortable long distance traveler;
Being susceptible to many modifications.
And as a result they both lend themselves to being attracted to roughly the same kind of personalities.
See? I said it was kind of a stretch, but that is why I think I have been attracted to both.
11-05-2017, 12:16 PM
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During WWII the Italiens did build a 27 liter V12 Isotta Fraschini aircraft engine similar to the Merline engine. The engine was used in Caproni bombers that some were imported to Sweden. One of the engines has survived and a crazy Swede did put it into this car called Il Draggo Ruggente or in english The Roaring Dragon. It is more smoke than you ever can produce with a 928.
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11-05-2017, 12:29 PM
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The mosquito was a brilliant but quirky aircraft. Statistically it was the safest and fastest piston engine aircraft to fly combat in during WW2 but somewhat ironically I understand more mozzy aircrew were lost during take off than during combat.
The thing could generate more yaw than the controls could handle in certain conditions and quite a lot went in during take off as a consequence- it had what for the day was a phenomenal power to weight ratio. Thus it made an excellent night fighter, pathfinder and low level ground attack machine. They were famously used to attack a POW camp by breaching the perimeter wall so the prisoners had something to escape through. Some variants were fitted with a brace of cannons for ground attack missions.
I last saw one flying in 1982 but I recently saw a BBC documentary showing one that had been restored to flying status in Canada I believe- the programme is [was?] available on BBC iplayer.
The thing could generate more yaw than the controls could handle in certain conditions and quite a lot went in during take off as a consequence- it had what for the day was a phenomenal power to weight ratio. Thus it made an excellent night fighter, pathfinder and low level ground attack machine. They were famously used to attack a POW camp by breaching the perimeter wall so the prisoners had something to escape through. Some variants were fitted with a brace of cannons for ground attack missions.
I last saw one flying in 1982 but I recently saw a BBC documentary showing one that had been restored to flying status in Canada I believe- the programme is [was?] available on BBC iplayer.
An all time classic and probably the best Movie score.
11-05-2017, 03:07 PM
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[QUOTE=Tony;14582754]Im sure i dont have to tell you about this movie!
An all time classic and probably the best Movie score.
My Dad took me to see the movie at the cinema somewhere around 1963/4 I suspect.
Although fictional, it was loosely based on some operations in Norway, possibly the unsuccessful attempts of the allies to bomb the heavy water plant the Germans built and later featured in the movie "Heroes of Telemark" wherein they sank the ferry carrying the produced heavy water as it was being exported [a true story].
A remake of 633 squadron with CGI might not go amiss!
An all time classic and probably the best Movie score.
My Dad took me to see the movie at the cinema somewhere around 1963/4 I suspect.
Although fictional, it was loosely based on some operations in Norway, possibly the unsuccessful attempts of the allies to bomb the heavy water plant the Germans built and later featured in the movie "Heroes of Telemark" wherein they sank the ferry carrying the produced heavy water as it was being exported [a true story].
A remake of 633 squadron with CGI might not go amiss!
11-05-2017, 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Strosek Ultra;145824rl69
From 1936 to 1945 the Germans built 33984 Messerschmitt Me 109 fighter aircrafts. No other aircraft during WWII was built in near that number.
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11-05-2017, 07:05 PM
#26
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Was it mentioned anywhere yet the the Mosquito was made virtually entirely of wood? Cutting edge adhesives for the day for the plywood skin - delamination was a bitch. If I remember correctly, they were assembled and tested in London, ON (my local airport). The assembly plant still stands and currently is producing the Diamond series of trainers.
Cheers, Phendriks
Cheers, Phendriks