Nashvillecat

1983 928s lights pop up and turn on when I pull the bright light switch the fog lights come on but the head lights do not change, I am assuming that they are stuck in high beam? Although the high been blue light on dash is not coming on. The previous owner assumed that when the fog lights came on that this was the high beams. The head light bulbs look new and work as they should. Could this be a relay? If so which relay high or low? I have searched but cant find any situation as this one. Thanks for the help.

Nashvillecat

Ordered new hood and rear hatch struts. 3 of the 4 old struts are the ones with the clips, just dig a small flat head screwdriver in and pull the clip out and the struts come straight off. The forth on the rear hatch looks very different, it has no clips it just has round ends that slide over the round heads that hold them on, I cant not get this thing off the round heads... I am afraid if I apply to much pressure I will do damage. Anyone know how to get this odd thing off? 1983 928s

Alan

Please don't mix 2 different issues in one thread - just create a separate thread for each - each with a meaningful (= searchable) title.

Your headlight question is confusing - not clear to me what you are saying, and I think you may be quite confused about what normal operation looks like (ditto PO).
Please be absolutely clear in your description - else we can't really help.

I think you are saying when you turn the headlight switch on (position 2 of 0-2) the headlights pop up and lights come on, and the high-beam indicator is not on. This almost certainly means everything is working correctly so far and you have low beams on. When you pull the stalk to the "flash" mode the fog lights (if on) - should go off - not come on.

What happens when you push the stalk towards the front of the car (the usual high beam position) - does anything change?

Probably your headlight relay is stuck in the low-beam mode? However it also seems your fog lights don't work correctly = what relay do you have in the fog light position? (XII). It may not be the correct relay type.

Fog lights are supposed to go off with high beams. If equipped - auxiliary high beams (in bumper) do come on with headlight high-beams - however on an '83 you don't have these aux high beams. Note you only have 1 headlight relay (it has 3 relays inside - but it is all in one double sized relay can in position XIX-XX).

To your other question - don't know (certainly not a stock part) but lots of lube would likely help... look for any indication of a release mechanism (holes/slots). The weakest part is the weld to the hatch/body - so see if you can get (needlenose?) pliers on the shaft so you can lever up against against them and avoid stressing that weld.

Alan

Nashvillecat

Alan, thanks for the response. Yeah, I thought I was starting another post and after submitted could not delete it. I will try to make this a little less confusing. Just went out to the car its dark so I can see what the lights are doing. You pretty much decoded what I was trying to say. With the lights on and the fog lights in the off position, when I Pull back on the stalk the fog lights will flash when I push the stalk as to put the high beams on the fog lights come on. I am confused in the fact that they are in the bumper and they are Halogen and very bright for fog lights. But again the top lights do not change in bright velocity at all they remain static. I can engage the fox light switch and the fog lights come on, when the stalk is pulled in or pushed out to turn on the high beams the fog lights just stay on and no change in any of the lights including the bright light indicator in the dash display, I have never seen this come on. I will check the relays tomorrow in the day light to see what is going on and what relays are actually in the car. Thanks again for you speedy reply.

The Forgotten On

Check which wires are hooked up to the fog lights. The european driving lights, also known as the auxiliary high beams, use a plug that is just tucked into the harness and is very much still there and fully functional.

A PO could have unknowingly pulled the plugs out and hooked them up to the fog lights.

Your functionality coincides with the way the driving lights work.

Would you also mind posting a picture of your lights as well ? A PO could have installed ROW lights in place of the weak US spec ones.

soontobered84

Nashville,
It may be that the PO replaced the headlights with single beam headlights.
-or-
It could be that the plug in your headlights is connected upside-down. In effect, what lights are showing on your dash are actually your high beams when the indicator is NOT on. The effect of this will be that your foglights will be on with your highbeams and then your foglights will go out when your high beam indicator is on, when it's actually your low beams that are on.
The possibility of this could generally occur if your connector is a 4 prong type since the headlight will be a 3 prong unit. If this is the case, just unplug each headlight and turn over the plug.

Alan

I don't see any likelihood for this with stock wiring - but who knows what we have here...

The high-beam indicator doesn't care about how you connect the headlamps since its on the loom side - in the center position of the flash-low-high switch it should always be off. In the other positions with headlights on it should also be on. Since it isn't (even in flash mode which doesn't require the relay) you should check that it comes on in bulb check mode (ignition on - car not running). I suspect it doesn't => a warning/notifier bulb issues or some creative rewiring...

Alan

Nashvillecat

I checked today and with the ignition switch on (without starting the motor) all the dash lights come on and stay on except the high beam indicator, it does not come on... ever. What would cause this? Would it maybe be the low beam relay? I am lost on this one.

Alan

Most likely the bulb I'd say. The relay (the headlight relay - there is NO separate low-beam relay) has nothing to do with bulb test mode. In bulb test mode if the bulb is good it should come on - its purpose is really to demonstrate that the bulbs work.

Alan