IMO most accurate valuation article | August 2017 Excellence
10-18-2017, 02:54 PM
#31
Burning Brakes
Good job! I don’t think those Excellence values take into account very low mileage cars like yours. Those sort of cars go to collectors who pay way more than any enthusiasm would pay and they become garage queens. Most Porsche enthusiasts, those who “get out and drive” as MW says, won’t pay those prices.
I think there is some truth to that but at the end of the day to blanket values over a any model is absurd. Every car and buyer is unique. Anyways this car was worth every penny of what it sold for.
Last edited by melman911; 10-18-2017 at 04:18 PM.
10-19-2017, 01:32 PM
#33
Three Wheelin'
This has been an interesting read from the beginning, with more than a few perspectives given from around the globe.
Congratulations on a great sale !
I feel these cars are far fewer in existence than what any of us really know them to be. GREAT cars, even less in number.
Ried, you mentioned some points earlier I wish to comment on.
The '89s are unique in that they revert to earlier terminology Porsche used for the 951 model. It became the 'turbo' once again, not the vaunted 'turbo S'; which to some ( the unknowing perhaps ) loses the cachet'..... how much, who can say ? To those in the 'know', it's just different and means nothing else than terminology. The S and the '89 are at the highest point of development for the 951 in retail sale to the public for street use.
Most '89 turbos I have knowledge of, HAVE the 10 speaker Hi-Fi system, the M030 pkg., the headlight washers, but NONE have the split back seats and resulting, unique privacy cover in the hatch as seen in the '88.2 S. ALL I have seen, but a few I have only heard of not containing, came equipped with code 220 or limited slip diff.
Like the '88.2 cars in both SilberRossa or Silver Rose, AND the final colored variants of the '88.2 cars, the '89s have the gusseted areas for strength on the chassis, but somewhere in the last cars built, some cost cutting moves were made by Porsche and cast internals in the engine were once again seen, replacing the early serial numbered forged internals of the '89 cars.
The hardened gearsets in the lower gears is also a unique feature to these which earlier turbos built in '88.1 and earlier did not have.
The cloth we got in America in the '88.2 turbo S in plaid ( Silber Rossa cars ) was the exact SAME pattern but different color ( burgundy vs. gray ) as seen in the early built 1988 Jubilee/ Celebration cars 944 n/a sports car. Likewise the 'plush' style carpeting on floors and rear hatch floor seen in these two models only.
None of which could be had in the '89 turbo or 951.
THAT said, people may view the '88-951s as all one model, which isn't true; there are two distinct models : the '88.1 with 217 h.p. and the '88.2 - 247 h.p. model with more components included, and shared with the '89 turbos. I know.... most of you are with me on this and I am only stating reiterating fact. Don't let me bore you.
Maybe some of this 'product confusion' in the now 30 year old market place has jumbled sale prices around a bit and slanted or tainted the evaluation a bit, showing a skew to the numbers that relates to those differences in '88 and '89 turbos.
*****But, certainly not to the buyer who really is knowing what he is looking for in purchase.
*********
( I also own an '89 - M030 with all the above options; a mid 50,000 mile car. And, an equally low mile '88 - Jubilee/ Celebration 944 n/a. Both in Satin Black Metallic.
And, I love them ! )
We will never see the likes of any built this way again from Porsche. They are True performance bargains. I see nothing but spiraling higher values for these cars, (and would not consider mid 30s pricing on either of mine)
Congratulations on a great sale !
I feel these cars are far fewer in existence than what any of us really know them to be. GREAT cars, even less in number.
Ried, you mentioned some points earlier I wish to comment on.
The '89s are unique in that they revert to earlier terminology Porsche used for the 951 model. It became the 'turbo' once again, not the vaunted 'turbo S'; which to some ( the unknowing perhaps ) loses the cachet'..... how much, who can say ? To those in the 'know', it's just different and means nothing else than terminology. The S and the '89 are at the highest point of development for the 951 in retail sale to the public for street use.
Most '89 turbos I have knowledge of, HAVE the 10 speaker Hi-Fi system, the M030 pkg., the headlight washers, but NONE have the split back seats and resulting, unique privacy cover in the hatch as seen in the '88.2 S. ALL I have seen, but a few I have only heard of not containing, came equipped with code 220 or limited slip diff.
Like the '88.2 cars in both SilberRossa or Silver Rose, AND the final colored variants of the '88.2 cars, the '89s have the gusseted areas for strength on the chassis, but somewhere in the last cars built, some cost cutting moves were made by Porsche and cast internals in the engine were once again seen, replacing the early serial numbered forged internals of the '89 cars.
The hardened gearsets in the lower gears is also a unique feature to these which earlier turbos built in '88.1 and earlier did not have.
The cloth we got in America in the '88.2 turbo S in plaid ( Silber Rossa cars ) was the exact SAME pattern but different color ( burgundy vs. gray ) as seen in the early built 1988 Jubilee/ Celebration cars 944 n/a sports car. Likewise the 'plush' style carpeting on floors and rear hatch floor seen in these two models only.
None of which could be had in the '89 turbo or 951.
THAT said, people may view the '88-951s as all one model, which isn't true; there are two distinct models : the '88.1 with 217 h.p. and the '88.2 - 247 h.p. model with more components included, and shared with the '89 turbos. I know.... most of you are with me on this and I am only stating reiterating fact. Don't let me bore you.
Maybe some of this 'product confusion' in the now 30 year old market place has jumbled sale prices around a bit and slanted or tainted the evaluation a bit, showing a skew to the numbers that relates to those differences in '88 and '89 turbos.
*****But, certainly not to the buyer who really is knowing what he is looking for in purchase.
*********
( I also own an '89 - M030 with all the above options; a mid 50,000 mile car. And, an equally low mile '88 - Jubilee/ Celebration 944 n/a. Both in Satin Black Metallic.
And, I love them ! )
We will never see the likes of any built this way again from Porsche. They are True performance bargains. I see nothing but spiraling higher values for these cars, (and would not consider mid 30s pricing on either of mine)
10-19-2017, 02:16 PM
#34
Burning Brakes
Congratulations on a great sale !
I feel these cars are far fewer in existence than what any of us really know them to be. GREAT cars, even less in number.
We will never see the likes of any built this way again from Porsche. They are True performance bargains. I see nothing but spiraling higher values for these cars, (and would not consider mid 30s pricing on either of mine)
I feel these cars are far fewer in existence than what any of us really know them to be. GREAT cars, even less in number.
We will never see the likes of any built this way again from Porsche. They are True performance bargains. I see nothing but spiraling higher values for these cars, (and would not consider mid 30s pricing on either of mine)
Thanks! So true with these comments. Honestly I sold this car below what it's true value is. I will regret selling it one these days when prices for low mileage well cared for examples goes through the roof. Like you said Porsche will not make these again. Some don't understand that idea.
03-29-2018, 12:39 PM
#35
Just found this thread. The 1989 951 that I recently picked up (Alpine White 80k mi.) does have the split rear seats and privacy cover, M030 pkg., LS axle, etc. Don't know how many speakers off hand. No headlamp washers....
Steve
Steve
This has been an interesting read from the beginning, with more than a few perspectives given from around the globe.
.....
Most '89 turbos I have knowledge of, HAVE the 10 speaker Hi-Fi system, the M030 pkg., the headlight washers, but NONE have the split back seats and resulting, unique privacy cover in the hatch as seen in the '88.2 S. ALL I have seen, but a few I have only heard of not containing, came equipped with code 220 or limited slip diff.
)
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Most '89 turbos I have knowledge of, HAVE the 10 speaker Hi-Fi system, the M030 pkg., the headlight washers, but NONE have the split back seats and resulting, unique privacy cover in the hatch as seen in the '88.2 S. ALL I have seen, but a few I have only heard of not containing, came equipped with code 220 or limited slip diff.
)
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03-29-2018, 11:58 PM
#36
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Split folding rear seats could still be had as a Option in 1989, it just wasn't Standard Equipment.
What WAS 951 Standard Equipment for 1989, based on my own car and every window sticker I've ever seen for others, is the 10-Speaker Sound System.
Also all M030 and M220.
What WAS 951 Standard Equipment for 1989, based on my own car and every window sticker I've ever seen for others, is the 10-Speaker Sound System.
Also all M030 and M220.
08-16-2018, 12:34 PM
#37
This is an old thread revival. Are value still the same? I'm helping a friend who just inherited a 968 and a 928. He is likely going to sell both as he's not an enthusiast like all of us. Can anyone help me decode the options on the 968 and give me an honest opinion on what a 6-8 week sale price might be? Assume "good" condition until I can load pictures. I am a 987/996 guy.
1992 Porsche 968 Convertible
VIN: WP0CA2961NS840345Transmission: Manual
Color: Red
Miles: 146,147
Thanks
1992 Porsche 968 Convertible
VIN: WP0CA2961NS840345Transmission: Manual
Color: Red
Miles: 146,147
Thanks
08-16-2018, 12:43 PM
#38
Nordschleife Master
Thread Starter
You’ll need to post the options decal to enable the options to be decoded, which I think is behind the carpet between the rear tail lights, otherwise it’s in the service manual. Price will vary greatly depending on past maintenance records on a high mileage car like that. What past/current records came with the car?
08-16-2018, 02:52 PM
#39
You’ll need to post the options decal to enable the options to be decoded, which I think is behind the carpet between the rear tail lights, otherwise it’s in the service manual. Price will vary greatly depending on past maintenance records on a high mileage car like that. What past/current records came with the car?
08-16-2018, 06:58 PM
#40
Nordschleife Master
Thread Starter
Yeh with our cars the chassis was built and the chassis number was assigned before any options were finalised for the car. So you cannot determine the options from the VIN, you need the options decal.
08-16-2018, 07:05 PM
#41
Three Wheelin'
I posted your vin in a rubning thread to Jeff the 968 vin god. He didnt reply here so
Only 3 options; 437 8 way full power driver's seat, 490/494 hi-fi sound with 8 speakers and amps, 691 CD-2 in dash am/fm CD player.
Early car (Nov 91) so it should have the recessed hood badge and larger emblems.
What makes this car unusual is the interior. It has code AB partial cloth seats in black. Of the 2,008 968 cabs, only 31 had the standard cloth seats.
Jeff
Early car (Nov 91) so it should have the recessed hood badge and larger emblems.
What makes this car unusual is the interior. It has code AB partial cloth seats in black. Of the 2,008 968 cabs, only 31 had the standard cloth seats.
Jeff
