Notices
924/931/944/951/968 Forum Porsche 924, 924S, 931, 944, 944S, 944S2, 951, and 968 discussion, how-to guides, and technical help. (1976-1995)
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

88 944s wont move making worst case plans

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 04-17-2012, 03:59 PM
  #1  
aldo_45030
Track Day
Thread Starter
 
aldo_45030's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 15
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default 88 944s wont move making worst case plans

I plan to look tonight at my sons 944s which doesnt move in gear and running. I can push it easily in gear and have googled up some possible causes. I can only hope the bolts fell out of the coupler but plan for the worst. SO my questions are
What 5 speeds, rear pinions & rings, torque tubes are interchangable with an 88.
ALso if there are any other owners in the Cincinnati area willing to share information and parts please drop me a PM. thanks to all
Old 04-17-2012, 04:08 PM
  #2  
odurandina
Team Owner
 
odurandina's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: one thousand, five hundred miles north of Ft. Lauderdale for the summer.
Posts: 28,704
Received 212 Likes on 153 Posts
Default

all; 83-91.

but the turbo transmissions' gears are a bit long so stay with the boxes from the n/a cars.
Old 04-17-2012, 04:19 PM
  #3  
aldo_45030
Track Day
Thread Starter
 
aldo_45030's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 15
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by odurandina
all; 83-91.

but the turbo transmissions' gears are a bit long so stay with the boxes from the n/a cars.
Surely cant be that easy ........
Old 04-17-2012, 04:23 PM
  #4  
Van
Rennlist Member
 
Van's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Hyde Park, NY
Posts: 12,007
Received 88 Likes on 58 Posts
Default

You're saying that with the car in gear, there is no connection with the engine? e.g. the engine doesn't provide locomotion while it's running; and there is no resistance when the engine is stopped?

Sound to me like you have something between the flywheel and the rear wheels broken.

I'd start by looking at CV joint connection... then move up to the driveshaft/transmission coupler... then move up to the clutch end of the driveshaft... and finally a destroyed clutch disk.

But, I bet a dollar it's CV joints.
Old 04-17-2012, 04:32 PM
  #5  
ernie9468
Drifting
 
ernie9468's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Caraquet-- New-Brunswick-- Canada
Posts: 2,728
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Talking

Originally Posted by aldo_45030
Surely cant be that easy ........
Your best friend for trouble shooting any problems with your 944 will be this one www.clarks-garage.com once on site enter (Garage Shop Manual) click on letter "T" scroll down to "Trouble shooting" & in your case it will be TS-05 Manual Tramsmission.GL
Old 04-17-2012, 06:19 PM
  #6  
mytrplseven
Drifting
 
mytrplseven's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Orlando area
Posts: 2,654
Received 20 Likes on 15 Posts
Default

Having done the clutch job which involves removing all the stuff from the flywheel to removing the transaxle and cv joints, and since there's an easy access point to the coupler, I'd put the car up on jack stands, see if the rear wheels will turn (both individually) with the transmission in neutral. Listen for driveline noise. Next, try it with the car in gear. Have someone hold one wheel from turning and turn the other (broken clutch check).If U get rotation, How old is the clutch? Is it rubber centered? If so put your finger inside the inspection hole and check for rubber pieces. If it's gone, which I suspect as a strong possitility, then it's a chance to go to my favorite choice: a sachs spring centered clutch kit. If the clutch is indicating that it's ok, then pull the trapexoid-shaped rubber plug and the round plug on the side of the transaxle bell housing so you can see the allen bolts on the coupling. Leave the car in neutral and turn the engine with a wrench and 24mm socket on the crank shaft nut until easy access to the coupling bolts. Check that the bolts are there and tight.
Old 04-17-2012, 06:21 PM
  #7  
Dimitri_944
Instructor
 
Dimitri_944's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: dover delaware
Posts: 218
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

it has to be 85.5 and up because it has to have the electronic speedometer pickup
Old 04-17-2012, 08:04 PM
  #8  
FrenchToast
Three Wheelin'
 
FrenchToast's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 1,969
Likes: 0
Received 74 Likes on 59 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by aldo_45030
I plan to look tonight at my sons 944s which doesnt move in gear and running.
Just to be sure, we are talking about a manual here right?

Unecessary stress on the trans can blow the ring and pinion. If you hear any crunchy metallic sounds from the back it could be the R&P. That could be the cause, although unlikely.

Originally Posted by Van
But, I bet a dollar it's CV joints.
A whole dollar guys. Van is really going to town here!

Originally Posted by Dimitri_944
it has to be 85.5 and up because it has to have the electronic speedometer pickup
^Yes. You want one from '85.5-'89. However, the transmissions from '85.5 thru '87 cars (excluding the 924S) have a taller fifth gear.

Check all this stuff, but check the CV's first.

All be safe, have a good one!

Cheers
Old 04-17-2012, 08:14 PM
  #9  
Fara
Rennlist Member
 
Fara's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Sydney, Australia
Posts: 721
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by FrenchToast
A whole dollar guys. Van is really going to town here!
Hey, Dollar bets have a long and awesome history. Don't rag on them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfRXivM-Qdw#t=40s
Old 04-17-2012, 09:35 PM
  #10  
aldo_45030
Track Day
Thread Starter
 
aldo_45030's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 15
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

And the winner of the dollar is???????

VAN

We just replaced the passanger side axel on saturday he drove approximately 75 miles total till it failed at the wheel. Jacked up the back rotated the drivers side and could see the axel move, boot twist on the passanger got about a half a rotation till the wheel moved.

Of course Autozone would not do a thing to compensate for the $120 tow bill, not even discount the replacement part.


Thanks to all good to see he has a good support team should a problem arise.
Old 04-17-2012, 10:17 PM
  #11  
Van
Rennlist Member
 
Van's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Hyde Park, NY
Posts: 12,007
Received 88 Likes on 58 Posts
Default

Woohoo! I can add it to my racing budget!
Old 04-18-2012, 11:17 AM
  #12  
aldo_45030
Track Day
Thread Starter
 
aldo_45030's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 15
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Van
Woohoo! I can add it to my racing budget!
Checks in the mail
Old 04-18-2012, 12:26 PM
  #13  
V2Rocket
Rainman
Rennlist Member
 
V2Rocket's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Nashville, TN
Posts: 45,497
Received 632 Likes on 490 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by odurandina
all; 83-91.

but the turbo transmissions' gears are a bit long so stay with the boxes from the n/a cars.
my NA with a turbo trans will pull on a stock NA with stock gearbox from a dig...just sayin.
Old 04-21-2012, 12:15 AM
  #14  
aldo_45030
Track Day
Thread Starter
 
aldo_45030's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 15
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

ok got the replacement from rock auto appears to be a nice unot compared to autozone. Installed unit and same thing can see axel move but joint no move . can move tire/wheel by hand . I s there an inner side if i am correct in my thinking you can swirch axels around the is no inner outer. If this is the case i am having hard time with two defects in a row.
Old 04-21-2012, 08:43 AM
  #15  
Van
Rennlist Member
 
Van's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Hyde Park, NY
Posts: 12,007
Received 88 Likes on 58 Posts
Default

Broken stub axle, perhaps. That's the flange that the outer side of the axle bolt to and it's what goes through the wheel bearing. The stub axle is splined and threaded on the outside, and goes inside the wheel hub. The wheel hub is what hold the brake rotor and wheel on.

I've seen broken stub axles, although it's somewhat rare.


Quick Reply: 88 944s wont move making worst case plans



All times are GMT -3. The time now is 09:34 PM.