centerpunch

I will try to come!

944Fest (aka Dan P)

Most EXCELLENT! She is deserving of VIP parking for sure!!

centerpunch

A reader informs me that Rick Hurst advertised a 1987 Turbo Cup car for sale in the May 1988 issue of Panorama, possibly this was 165104.

Anyone have info on either 165101 or 165104?

HERE'S WHAT WE KNOW TO DATE:

165101 Need current information.
PMNA to Sewickley Porsche Audi (dealership), sold to Powell Motorsports (Corvette race team) early 1987 - from Powell to GM for testing?

165102 Located
PMNA to Bob Bogan (motorsports International) Raced 1987 Escort series, all races except Mid-Ohio, Sold to Nancy Lowe 4/88, has participated in many DE events.
Located, still owned by Nancy Lowe.

165103 Located
PMNA to Freddie Baker (racer and dealer, I think), Purchased by Al Grill in '87, purchased by Rich Moskalik 4/88.
Located, owned by David Roberts in Minnesota.

165104 Need current information.
PMNA to Rick Hurst Racing - Ran -87 Escort series, possibly wrecked in '87, current status not known.

165105 Located
PMNA to Carlson Porsche - photo's in Automotion catalog, written up in Excellence Magazine Feb -88 issue.
Located, very extensively modified, recently listed for sale at http://www.race-cars.com/carsales/p...112743806ss.htm

(165106 and 165107 NOT delivered in US. When asked in late 1980's, Porsche Motorsport North America stated those two went to Canada.)

165108 Located
PMNA to Sewickley Porsche Audi- sold to Burt Pharris 11/87.
Owned by Bill Jones in Alabama

165109 Located
PMNA to Paul Allen of Escort radar detector company.
(This is my car, although I'm not with Escort at the moment.)

165110 Located
PMNA to BFGoodrich - Tire testing.
Located, currrently owned by Don Velcio of Cleveland.

165111 Located
PMNA to Charlie Spira - Los Angeles, late 1980's private owner, Wrightwood Racing?
Located, owned by Ron Tietjen in Canada.

centerpunch

It looks like a heavily modified one (maybe 105?) is listed on the SVRA site (vintage racing) for sale, see
http://www.svra.com/SVRA/SVRAHome.ns...T?OpenDocument

centerpunch

WE'VE FOUND ALL BUT ONE!

Thanks to some Columbo-grade investigative work by Masaya Nakamoto, we've found 165104! Details below.

(Still need info on 165101.)


HERE'S WHAT WE KNOW TO DATE:

165101 Need current information.
PMNA to Sewickley Porsche Audi (dealership), sold to Powell Motorsports (Corvette race team) early 1987 - from Powell to GM for testing?
NEW: John Powell confirms that the car went to GM, and believes it may have been scrapped. (But it seems unlikely to me that they would scrap the car... why not sell it or transfer it back to Powell so he could sell it.....)

165102 Located
PMNA to Bob Bogan (motorsports International) Raced 1987 Escort series, all races except Mid-Ohio, Sold to Nancy Lowe 4/88, has participated in many DE events.
Located, still owned by Nancy Lowe.

165103 Located
PMNA to Freddie Baker (racer and dealer, I think), Purchased by Al Grill in '87, purchased by Rich Moskalik 4/88.
Located, owned by David Roberts in Minnesota.

165104 Located
PMNA to Rick Hurst Racing - Ran -87 Escort series.
Located, owned by PCA-Chicago Region member Jim Becker

165105 Located
PMNA to Carlson Porsche - photo's in Automotion catalog, written up in Excellence Magazine Feb -88 issue. Later owned by Dan Bacin. Current owner appears to be Frank Jackson in Alabama, who did not respond to emails, but what appears to be this car has been recently offered for sale, very extensively modified, recently listed for sale at http://www.race-cars.com/carsales/p...112743806ss.htm and at http://www.svra.com/SVRA/SVRAHome.ns...T?OpenDocument

(165106 and 165107 NOT delivered in US. When asked in late 1980's, Porsche Motorsport North America stated those two went to Canada.)

165108 Located
PMNA to Sewickley Porsche Audi- sold to Burt Pharris 11/87.
Located, currently owned by Bill Jones in Alabama

165109 Located
PMNA to Paul Allen of Escort radar detector company.
(This is my car, although I'm not with Escort at the moment.)

165110 Located
PMNA to BFGoodrich - Tire testing.
Located, currrently owned by Don Velcio of Cleveland.

165111 Located
PMNA to Charlie Spira - Los Angeles, late 1980's private owner, Wrightwood Racing?
Located, owned by Ron Tietjen in Canada.

adixon

I would say the car was scraped......

Oddjob

Paul,

Any idea about this car? It has the SCCA Escort markings on it and looks like a late offset (87+) car. The Rothmans sponsorship colors are similar to the two PMNA cars raced in the '86 Escort season (not the same graphics as the Canadian Turbo Cups).

Sewickely raced one of the PMNA/Rothmans sponsored cars in '86, so thought they may have used similar graphics on the car they raced in '87, so it may be #108 - but that car is currently in Alabama, and this photo was from a DE event at Mosport 4-5 years ago.

centerpunch

Hmmmm!

I do not know which car this might be.

993944S2

I went to a trans am race build on a street course in Niagara Falls. (US side). I think it was 86 or 87. I believe I have a bunch of 944 pictures. They are on film but if any of they would help answer questions I could scan them and forward to someone.

Let me know.

Don

PorscheDoc

*** Motorsports here in the KC area (Grandview) has a rothman's car sitting in one of their storage facilities. I believe it is a customer from Canada IIRC. Haven't been over there in a year or so, but I believe it is still there.....

Oddjob

Don, I would be interested when you have a chance/time.

The 944s that would have raced in the Trans Am series in 87 were the tube frame ground up race cars (see photos below):

http://www.racingsportscars.com/phot...-26-photo.html

But its possible that Showroom Stock cars (944 Turbo Club Sports/Cups/Escort cars) may have also raced at the event as a warm up/pre-race to the full Trans Am race(?). Let me know if you come across anything of interest. Thanks.

993944S2

The pictures i have are of a support group of cars. Rothmans series. I have 4 pictures. One of a car in Fuji Film Livery #35, on in Mizzi livery #6, one of a red car with blue stripe at the bottom of the door #55 and another that is kind of blury. #46 I'll try to scan them. Let me know what else you might be interested in.

Don

Ken D

Link to photo album (Mark Windecker), 1988 Niagara Falls Rothmans series.
CASC Rothmans Porsche Turbo Cup

He also has an interesting Nelson Ledges Longest Day album. '86 Escort 951s running in Showroom Stock.
Longest Day '86 Nelson Ledges

'86 24 Hours of Mid Ohio
24 hours of Mid Ohio 1986
'84 Nelson Ledges with 944 Turbo Prototype
Longest Day '84 Nelson Ledges, 951 Prototype
'83 Nelson Ledges with 944 Turbo Prototype ('83?)
Longest Day '83 Nelson Ledges

shiners780

Don, I was at that race too!!! I may have to dig through some boxes of old photos to see if I still have any. So cool, I totally forgot about that race.




*A bell went off, I found the program from that weekend! Rothmans-Porsche Challenge Series, June 25 & 26, 1988. Looks like a couple 944T ran in the actual Trans-Am race, one driven by Chris Kneifel of Lake Forest, Ill. Olivetti USA Porsche 944, car #11. A second 944 car #44 driven by Hurley Haywood.

There is a list of the 1988 Rothmans Porsche Turbo Cup competitors, 33 entrants.

No good pics of Porsche's. Also racing that weekend were the Escort Trans Ams, Coors Racetrucks, and VW Super Vees. Good stuff!

Oddjob

Dan, Manning, did either of you figure out about the car you mention in these posts?

Im guessing it may have been the pre-production red 944T that Baker raced in the Playboy/Escort Series in '85? There was also a pre-production black 944T run by Brumos.

I did briefly speak to Fred Baker some time ago about the Escort cars, and he indicated (or I got the impression) that the '83 and '84 prototypes were only brought over to the US for the 24hr at Nelson Ledges in '83 (the car broke a ball joint), and in '84 for the 24hrs at Nelson (it won) and Mid Ohio (engine blew early in the race) - and then the cars were returned to Germany for evaluation after those races.

If you dig through the links that Ken D. posted of photos by Mark Windecker, you can find pics of the '83, '84, and '85 prototypes. Very interesting. Also, some of the drivers names will ring some bells: Price Cobb, Elliott Forbes Robinson, Jon Milledge, Joe Cogbill, etc.