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Carl Fausett 03-22-2005 04:22 PM

Remanufactured Engine Wiring Harness for 944/951
 
We make new engine wiring harnesses for the Porsche 928 that are no longer available from Porsche.

see it at: Rennlist Discussion Forums > Water Cooled Technical Discussion Areas > 928 Forum > Engine Wiring Harnesses are Shipping

I have several who have emailed me and asked if we have a wiring harness for the 944 and 951 - but I need a used engine wiring harness to look at in order to answer whether or not we can make the part.

Porsche part number 95161200106 is $2020.67 at present from Porsche for a 1987 951 engine harness - you gotta be kidding!

Dpes anybody have a spare used harness I can disect or buy?

BigRed 03-22-2005 04:29 PM

SOMEBODY DO THIS!!! GET HIM THE PART!!! PLEASE!!!

That would be really cool if this could be done. What would be the approximate price for this new harness? Is it a complete harness, or just engine bay?? ...I need details...

michaelathome 03-22-2005 04:32 PM

I know that there a few people that are in the middle of parting out a few different years. XSBoost and Rock are 86-87 924S and 944 and unreal_news I think was looking at redoing his 951 harness. He might be your best shot. I have an early harness '83 that I might part with if I can get a repro from ya;)

unreal's thread: https://rennlist.com/forums/924-931-944-951-968-forum/191616-complete-wiring-harness-rebuild.html

Michael

IMB951 03-22-2005 04:33 PM

I love it when things like this happen. Carl, you are a good man for even making the attempt!

fossil_fuel 03-22-2005 04:34 PM

I am interested in 924 '76- thru '85 replacement harnesses if you could look into doing those as well. I have a spare harness I could donate for research. If I had the 944/951 stuff I would pony those up too.

sh944 03-22-2005 05:07 PM

I have a junked harness from an '86 I would be happy to send you. Its missing a few connectors that have been stolen off it, but it should get you in the ballpark as far as knowing what needs to be done. Send me your addy and I will get it to you. I will be in for one for sure for my '87 951 (I am guessing there will be a few changes but it should be close).

Regards,

Zero10 03-22-2005 05:09 PM

Hmm, I'm rebuilding the harness on my 951. Just cutting out most of the middle parts, cutting the wires at the connections, soldering and shrink wrapping to replace them. Using different sleeves and such on the wiring, which will hopefully hold up a little better.

Jon Moeller 03-22-2005 05:27 PM

Carl,
If you can keep your prices in line with the 928 price, these should sell like hotcakes. Looking forward to seeing the end result!

-J

BigRed 03-22-2005 05:32 PM


Originally Posted by Jon Moeller
Carl,
If you can keep your prices in line with the 928 price, these should sell like hotcakes. Looking forward to seeing the end result!

-J

...and approximately how much are said hotcakes?

michaelathome 03-22-2005 05:37 PM

Take a look at his site.

http://www.928motorsports.com/parts/wiringharness.html

Not bad for "like new" the only thing that I would like to see is that the terminal ends were black and maybe shrinked. Then again you can't complain is if is working now can ya;)

Michael

AznDrgn 03-22-2005 05:56 PM

I have an early 944 wiring harness that has a few cracked clips on it that I would be willing to donate to this cause. PM me an address and I'll mail it out to you when I get home next week.

Just an idea but could you add a connector at the firewall so that when you do an engine drop you can just disconnect the motor from the rest of the stuff inside? I know there really isn't that much in there but it makes it a lot easier sometimes if there is an easily accessable connector right there in the engine bay.

sh944 03-23-2005 10:09 AM

bump

ACG 03-23-2005 10:24 AM

Carl, excellent idea! You have a buyer for an early 944 and a 951 if you can get this project moving.

Carl Fausett 03-23-2005 11:41 AM

Tarheel - that is the best damn avatar I have ever seen.

Please understand: if you donate a engine wiring harness for study, I need to remove all the sheathing and wire loom. It will not be useable when I am done.

It can be a cracked/bad wire harness - that's quite OK. It just MUST have all the wire connectors on all the ends.

Once I get one to dissect and study, I can get an answer to you guys pretty quickly about whether I can make it and what it will cost.

Tag it with the year/Model of 944 or 944S2 or 951 it is for.

Ship it to:

Carl Fausett
928 Motorsports, LLC
604 E Maple St
Horicon, WI 53032

AznDrgn 03-23-2005 02:35 PM

To keep from getting duplicates when you send a harness you should post what you sent here so we can keep track of what Carl has, unless carl wants or needs duplicate harnesses. You should only really need an early harness ('83-85/1), a late harness (85/2 and on), turbo harness, S harness, and S2 harness.

painkiller 03-23-2005 03:25 PM

Bump for a much needed product. Just moving them around in this weather they make all kinds of snaping and cracking noises. I second azndrgn on the connector at the firewall to make engine removal easier.

John

Carl Fausett 03-23-2005 03:26 PM

AznDrgn - perfect. I do not need duplicates.

pcarphanatik 03-23-2005 03:34 PM

I am fully behind this product! Everytime time I work on my engine I end up breaking connectors on the harness.

I will definetly buy one of these for my turbo when they come out. :biggulp:

sh944 03-23-2005 04:54 PM

I may be able to help track down a useable 944S harness. I will keep y'all posted, but I am pretty sure I can tag everything necessary for a 951 harness as well.

do know of at least one difference between the early and late 951 harnesses, in that the '86 harness doesn't have the lead for the oil level sender. Does anyone else know of any differences?

Regards,

Chris_924s 03-23-2005 08:53 PM

and 924S too please.

AznDrgn 03-23-2005 08:58 PM

924S would be covered by an early 944 harness

Ski 03-23-2005 09:54 PM

I just saw this thread...Carl, if you have any issues at all, I have a BRAND NEW, in the box, factory harness for the 944 turbo. If you need it to assist this project, let me know.

NZ951 03-24-2005 02:58 AM

I have a used one you can have but its missing a connector or two as well...

Ski 03-26-2005 01:48 PM

any status report on this with a $$ amount?

for those of you with cracking cable(s) ends...
http://www.eagleday.com/eagleday/elparandtool.html
www.kayjay.com

DDP 03-26-2005 04:57 PM

Wow, please, please do this!! I am in need of one also. If there was anyway to make a plug for removing the engine, that would be insane!

PorscheDoc 03-26-2005 06:14 PM

The plug for removing the engine sounds like a lot of extra labor and cost for the connectors (after all, a lot of wires will be connecting there and it will be 2 connectors), plus another connector to crap out on you in the future. If we are looking for a low cost alternative to the factory part, then this seems like an unnecessary cost. How often do you drop a motor? It takes 5 minutes, 10 minutes tops to pull the DME out and pull the harness out of the firewall as it is.

Boricua944 03-27-2005 10:43 PM

latest news on this? Bumpity Bump

Carl Fausett 03-27-2005 10:56 PM

Latest news? I am very interested in makinfg this weiring harness for you guys.

But - I have to have one to dissect and destroy that has allthe connectors still on it. Don't care if the wiring is mad, insulkation cracked.

As of March 27th, I do not have one coming to me yet that I know of.

Be sure to label it with year/model (example: 1987 944 Turbo)

Send it to :

928 Motorsports LLC
604 E Maple St
Horicon, WI 53032

AznDrgn 03-27-2005 11:21 PM

I haven't made it home to send mine in yet but as soon as I do you will have a harness for an early 944/924S.

sh944 03-28-2005 01:49 AM

I am reworking the 951 harness I have so that its complete (or atleast enough that its useable for you). Expect to be shipping it in the next couple of days. I'll pm you when its heading out.

Regards,

PorscheDoc 03-28-2005 09:52 AM

Scott if you need, i have a bunch of extra fuel injector connectors left over from when i rewired....and i know that harness you have is missing at least one if not more. Let me know if you need them. Other than that, i don't remeber what else is missing off that harness....i know the speed and reference sensors are hashed pretty hard (but at least the connectors are brand new) :D For some reason i thought we swiped another connector off of it for someone, which is no biggie, the others are all pretty standard connectors.

Carl Fausett 03-30-2005 11:25 PM

sh944 - Howz it coming? I'd like to get my hands on that 951 harness...

sh944 03-31-2005 12:37 AM

I need to measure out the injector leads and make sure that I tag them in order, and then I can send it. The harness that I have has the injector leads cut off, once I recreate that portion of it, I will be sending it. Hopefully tomorrow, but work has a funny way of getting in the way sometimes...

I will pm you as soon as I have it. Trust me, I am more anxious to get this to you than you will be to receive it! :)

Regards,

sh944 04-01-2005 07:50 PM

Heads up.

I think I have it figured out now, so I am going to verify that I got the injector leads in the right order, tag each connector by function, and I should be shipping it out Monday.

Regards,

AznDrgn 04-06-2005 12:29 PM

Carl do you want each individual plug tagged? I was just about to send mine out but I just saw that sh944 said he was tagging his.

Carl Fausett 04-07-2005 01:15 AM

SH944 and AznDrgn - thank you for your calls and for sending old wirting harnesses here for me to disect and examine. The 944 guys are gonna owe you big!

sh944 04-07-2005 01:42 AM

Carl, I still have to verify that I got the two legs of the injector leads id'd properly. Sorry its taking me a bit longer to get it to you, but I want it to be 100% accurate. Its coming, I promise. :)

Regards,

AznDrgn 04-07-2005 01:46 AM

I got mine tagged tonight so it should be going out to you tomorrow along with the '83 and '84 944 wiring schematics. There were 1 or 2 plugs that I was unsure of and didn't happen to see on the diagram but I labled them with what I thought they were and ?? so you may want to double check them.

AznDrgn 04-07-2005 01:34 PM

Wiring harness just went out in the mail, you should have it saturday.

Carl Fausett 04-12-2005 10:43 AM

AznDrgn - received your 83/84 944 NA wiring harness.

My first chore is to locate all the replacement connectors - at first glance for what is on it, I have most of those in stock from 928 wiring harnesses we build. It does have a couple strange ones that I need to locate and get prices on.

Then I can quote a price on the whole thing.

I see that, like the L-Jet and LH-Jetronic wiring harness for the 928, this is a "thru-wall" wiring harness that goes through the firewall into the under dash area to connect with your LH module there.

We would propose to put a weather-tight connector on the engine side of the firewall instead - allowing a purchaser to replace the engine wiring harness without having to remove the thru-wall grommet and all the wiring under the dash. This also would allow you to unplug the wiring harness, remove the engine from the car with the wiring harness on it, then put the engine back and plug it in.

Works pretty slick. Sound OK?

AznDrgn 04-12-2005 11:01 AM

Glad to hear it made it to you in one piece Carl. Did you get my e-mail about the corrections to wiring labels? If not I made a mistake when i labeled one of the harnesses. The one labeled starter is actual the oil pressure sender.

Ken D 04-12-2005 11:07 AM


Originally Posted by Quick Carl
We would propose to put a weather-tight connector on the engine side of the firewall instead - allowing a purchaser to replace the engine wiring harness without having to remove the thru-wall grommet and all the wiring under the dash. This also would allow you to unplug the wiring harness, remove the engine from the car with the wiring harness on it, then put the engine back and plug it in.

Works pretty slick. Sound OK?

Hell yes! :thumbsup:

Carl Fausett 04-15-2005 05:45 PM

I have been thru this 944 NA wiring harness now, it needs many of the same Bosch/AMP modular wiring connectors I already have located on planet Earth and we stock to make 928 harnesses. Some of it is rare - but I have already found it, so no problem.

The weird part: it has two shielded coaxial stranded cables, for tachometer and timing sensor pulses. They are tricky, and require funky wire and connectors. I am trying to locate those parts now...

Carl Fausett 04-20-2005 06:05 PM

Progress - all the connectors have been FOUND for this wiring harness. I have them on there way to me now.

WesM951 04-20-2005 06:34 PM

Carl,
Awsome work!!

AznDrgn 04-20-2005 06:38 PM

SWEET!!!!

Geo 04-20-2005 09:32 PM

Carl, if you can make them, I'm in. I worry about my original harness all the time. Fortunately I don't need to use much of it (race car), but it must be there and complete. I'd just like to have one that doesn't present problems.

Jim 944S 04-20-2005 11:08 PM

I'm eager to see these, Carl! Hope you can make some up for those of us who have an "S", as well!!! :)

Jim 1987 944S :bigbye:

sh944 04-21-2005 01:23 AM

Heads up, the '86 951 harness made it into the mail today, you should see it by Friday at the latest.

Regards,

Chris_924s 04-21-2005 07:48 AM

Ok.. now for the 924S- It's gotta be the same as the 944 earlies (hopefully..) Maybe you guys could help me with my headlight wiring switch dilemma..

Please help, o wire harness guru's:
https://rennlist.com/forums/showthre...02#post2086902

AznDrgn 04-21-2005 09:43 AM

924S and early 944 engine harnesses are exaclty the same and the headlight harness should be the same as well.

Carl Fausett 04-21-2005 06:46 PM

GEO - because you are a racer, I think you will especially like this design. We have special-ordered a Molex automotive-grade multi-pin weather-tite connector for the harness, which will be cut in just on the engine-side of the firewall. It is water-tight, and has a clamp on it that will make accidental unplugging impossible.

This has two benefits:

1) for racers: you can unplug the engine wiring harness at this connector, and pull the motor with the wiring harness still in place. Service the motor, and put it back, and plug it in! It is a feature I enjoy on my early 928.

2) for the rest of us: without this connector, replacing the wiring harness means going thru the firewall and under the dash and all that crap - and those parts of the wiring harness do not age and are not damaged! Its just the engine side. So this allows you to cut off the old wiring harness on the engine side and splice in the new one... much easier installation.

Boricua944 04-21-2005 07:13 PM

Any aproximate estimates what this thing is going to cost?

Manning 04-21-2005 10:37 PM

Yes please!

Carl Fausett 04-22-2005 05:27 AM

I know, I know.... how much $$$ will it be? I will get you a final purchase price as quickly as I can.

I cannot put a number on it quite yet - haven't built one yet. Labor/time is a big variable. I CAN say I have not seen any reason Porsche is asking $2200 at the dealer for this wiring harness.

A 928 has two of these harnesses, one front-engine (alternator, starter, temp sensors, WUR, cold-start injector, etc), and one for the injectors and such. Our front-engine harness sells for $479.00 right now. Please read about the quality of it here:

http://www.928motorsports.com/parts/wiringharness.html

The injector wiring harness for the 928 is still on the development table, and is coming in at about $680.00 give or take a few with the same connector your harness will be using. ...and you have 4 less injector connectors than it does.

So, I expect it to be a little less expensive than that. $620, $630, somewhere in there. How does that sound?

Carl Fausett 04-22-2005 06:29 AM

1 Attachment(s)
(muttering and grunting) "get IN there!"

Ken D 04-22-2005 10:46 AM


Originally Posted by Quick Carl
So, I expect it to be a little less expensive than that. $620, $630, somewhere in there. How does that sound?

That sounds more than reasonable to me. You even label the connections. :thumbup: Nice work Carl!

David Floyd 04-22-2005 11:08 AM


Originally Posted by Quick Carl
(muttering and grunting) "get IN there!"

Nice layout board :thumbup:

Boricua944 04-22-2005 07:19 PM

From $2200 to $620, $630 hell yea it sounds more than reasonable

JDeitz951 04-23-2005 12:20 AM

Carl, I looked into replacing my 944 turbo harness and talked on the phone with Benson Porsche in New Orleans (good guys, best parts prices, fast cheap shipping, no affiliation, etc.). There was a change (major? yes: ABS!) in mid-1986. I could buy an early '86 harness from the factory for like $660, bu t there were low stock in Germany and would not be making them again EVER. The late '86+ was like you said $2100 and would be available for the foreseeable future. I would need the early one, but it was too steep even at $660 since I only wanted to replace it as a precaution.

So I just wanted to point out there is a difference which took place in '86, but don't skip the early '86. There were more '86 944 turbos sold than all other years combined.

shortyboy 05-04-2005 12:22 PM

so hows the progress on the harness?man this is some great work!cant wait to see the final product!keep up the great work!!!!

Carl Fausett 05-04-2005 01:23 PM

The easy-to-get Molex connectors have arrived, But I am still waiting on the 20-pin weathertight Molex connector to arrive.

The 951 harness has arrived too - there are some little weird connectors on that one in addition to what we already had - but it is do-able also.

sh944 05-04-2005 02:31 PM

Just to clarify, that was an '86 951 harness. We need to get you an '87 or later 951 harness as well, does anyone have one? If its junked, somewhat burned up or whatnot, send it to me and I can put it back together/tag it so that Carl can use it.

Regards,

AznDrgn 05-04-2005 02:33 PM

I think Carl still needs the following harnesses:
-late NA
-late turbo
-S
-S2

DDP 05-04-2005 05:00 PM

Does anyone have a late turbo harness out there?? This is great, keep up the good work.

Dan87951 05-04-2005 05:36 PM

If u make it u can put me down for my 87 Turbo.

Carl Fausett 05-08-2005 12:25 PM

I emailed Molex "where are the resy of my connectors" on Friday. I finbished my last 928 wiring harness that day too, I am starting a new 944 wiring board on Monday.

Carl Fausett 05-10-2005 01:35 AM

My supplier just told me the multi-pin connector I am waiting for is shipping on 5/28 to us.

DDP 05-10-2005 06:01 AM

Have you received a 87 951 harness yet?

Carl Fausett 05-11-2005 11:17 PM

no, I have a 86 951 harness here and a 1984 944 NA.

14 spools of goofy-colored wire arrived today to supplement what we already have...

waiting on the Molex multi-pin connector - supposed tyo be shipping to me 5/28 yet.

DDP 05-20-2005 04:23 AM

Anyone have an 87 951 harness to send...please!!

Chris_924s 05-20-2005 04:39 AM

YO. Bumpity. WE Need this!

porschefig 05-20-2005 05:18 AM

just mentioning that someone also asked for a 924 harness as well...

I have a 924 but I want to get it running so I don't currently have any intentions of parting it out.....sorry....if it wasn't such a nice car...so nice for so little money that I feel like an absolute moron for the price I paid on my 944...UNTIL I go drive it ofcourse :D :thumbup:

Jakerx 05-20-2005 12:10 PM

hey guys...wait until sunday. i might have an 87 951 harness for quick carl

AznDrgn 05-20-2005 05:19 PM

I have a 2.0L 924 NA harness available if you are interested in making one Carl. It's actually a really easy harness to make but there are about 2 or 3 different versions of the wiring harness depending on year.

AlexE 05-20-2005 06:47 PM

HOW did I miss this.

86' Turbo. I would be in. :D

DDP 05-21-2005 02:28 AM


Originally Posted by Jake 944CS
hey guys...wait until sunday. i might have an 87 951 harness for quick carl


NO TIME Jake, send it now!! lol. I hope you can get one to him!

Carl Fausett 06-08-2005 11:12 AM

I would be in connector hell at this moment.

All the wiring is doen for the 944 harness, but my connectors have nbot yet arrived from my supplier - and they are having trouble locating my order. So I am reordering them all again now.

Dmitry S. 06-08-2005 11:47 AM

We have a couple new harnesses at Devek that will be put on ebay soon.

sh944 06-08-2005 01:48 PM

Did you ever get a harness for the '87 and later 951's? I may pull one I have as a part of a MUCH bigger project on that car and could send it to you, its 100% intact.

Regards,

theedge 06-08-2005 01:58 PM


Originally Posted by Carl Fausett
I would be in connector hell at this moment.

All the wiring is doen for the 944 harness, but my connectors have nbot yet arrived from my supplier - and they are having trouble locating my order. So I am reordering them all again now.

I was just wondering something... Would it be possible to order a harness without the alternator/starter wiring? Im putting in IceSharks kit, and im thinking about replacing the engine harness with one of yours. What would the price be on one of those, without the alt/starter stuff? It would be for an 86 951.

Carl Fausett 06-08-2005 07:42 PM

sh944 - no, so far I have 85 944 and 86 951 harness to use as a model. If 87 051 is different, I need to see it.

PorscheDoc 06-08-2005 07:44 PM


Originally Posted by theedge
I was just wondering something... Would it be possible to order a harness without the alternator/starter wiring? Im putting in IceSharks kit, and im thinking about replacing the engine harness with one of yours. What would the price be on one of those, without the alt/starter stuff? It would be for an 86 951.

Alternator/starter stuff is not part of the engine wiring harness.

theedge 06-08-2005 08:00 PM


Originally Posted by Karl2bdc
Alternator/starter stuff is not part of the engine wiring harness.

I saw in one of his pics it looks like he makes that stuff as well, hence I asked.

PorscheDoc 06-08-2005 08:48 PM

gotcha

sm 06-27-2005 11:41 AM

Hi,

What's the status on this? I had to wiggle my reference sensor connectors to get the car to start this morning!

Carl Fausett 06-27-2005 12:14 PM

I have had 2 more conversations with Molex - the connector we want is back-ordered and they did not have a expected production date for it 3 weeks ago. This morning, (June 27th) I was encouraged to hear that we might have something coming soon (whatever that means) from my rep.

We also have a young 951 owner (my 3rd-year Mechanical Engineering student son Ty) who wants to put in the labor and make these for you guys. I am working out that deal now. No problem.

Sorry this is taking so long... I have all the other connectors I need for the 944 harness in stock right now, and as for 951 harnesses, I see 2 more connectors I need to find before I can make them. The 951 also has some coax and braided shield cables for sensor-in and sensor-out and I have procured that cable already and have it here right now.

This is something that I want to offer - so it WILL happen, if Molex doesn't get their but in gear I'll change the design to use multiple connectors instead of one good 20-pin unit like I want to now.

e.t. 06-27-2005 04:37 PM

hello all,
I'd be interested in an very early '83 harness, and one for the A/C too if it's not included with the rest.

Thanks for your help :)

e.t. 06-27-2005 04:42 PM

hmmm,
lost my sig..

it's an 83 944 (born in April '82)

PorscheDoc 06-27-2005 06:46 PM

You could probably sell a lot of the reference and speed sensor wires and connectors (the braided ones) alone, and people could pin them into the DME themselves, as those are the 2 wires that usually go in the harness, as some people probably cant afford the whole harness.

Peckster 06-27-2005 08:35 PM


Originally Posted by AznDrgn
Just an idea but could you add a connector at the firewall so that when you do an engine drop you can just disconnect the motor from the rest of the stuff inside? I know there really isn't that much in there but it makes it a lot easier sometimes if there is an easily accessable connector right there in the engine bay.

The more connections, the more potential failure points.

Carl Fausett 06-28-2005 12:48 PM

I wonder if others are missing this idea as well...

<QUOTE>"Just an idea but could you add a connector at the firewall so that when you do an engine drop you can just disconnect the motor from the rest of the stuff inside? I know there really isn't that much in there but it makes it a lot easier sometimes if there is an easily accessable connector right there in the engine bay."<QUOTE>

that IS the plan. We find that the part of the wiring harness that is within the car does not age and is not bad. We plan on cutting into the wiring harness just outside the friewall and installing a weather-tight aircraft-grade connector there. That is the part I am waiting on.

This will make 1) the new harness easier to install - everything is on the engine-side of the firewall, no crawling under the dash, and 2) the engine can be removed for servicing with the wiring harness on it, then reinstalled, and just plugged in.

Geo 06-28-2005 01:40 PM


Originally Posted by Carl Fausett
I wonder if others are missing this idea as well...

<QUOTE>"Just an idea but could you add a connector at the firewall so that when you do an engine drop you can just disconnect the motor from the rest of the stuff inside? I know there really isn't that much in there but it makes it a lot easier sometimes if there is an easily accessable connector right there in the engine bay."<QUOTE>

that IS the plan. We find that the part of the wiring harness that is within the car does not age and is not bad. We plan on cutting into the wiring harness just outside the friewall and installing a weather-tight aircraft-grade connector there. That is the part I am waiting on.

This will make 1) the new harness easier to install - everything is on the engine-side of the firewall, no crawling under the dash, and 2) the engine can be removed for servicing with the wiring harness on it, then reinstalled, and just plugged in.

Outstanding idea. Sadly, it is illegal for SCCA IT racing so it won't help me. :(

And don't worry about Peckster's comment. Race teams use these sorts of connectors all the time. They are quite reliable.

PorscheDoc 06-28-2005 02:36 PM

It takes less than 5 minutes to work the harness out from the passenger footwell and out the firewall. Seems like it would take a lot more labor = higher cost to the consumer to put in another connection at the firewall. Higher cost and 944 owners don't go well in the same sentance.

PCinDC 06-28-2005 02:38 PM

Carl, is there any way of providing a few flying leads from the harness? I ask because a lot of us have piggyback computers and I for one would much rather have a few unterminated leads I could splice into rather than hacking up a brand new wiring harness to re-install the computer. Just a thought, I'll be buying one either way. If you think you could do it (even if it is just a special order thing), I'd happily pay extra for it and can provide a list of the pinouts that would be useful for me (and other Vitesse SMT6 people).

Carl Fausett 07-14-2005 06:42 PM

Tonight from 5 PM to ? I am training a "new guy" to make these things.
"New Guy" is a 951 owner - my son Ty - and his pictures are here:

http://www.928motorsports.com/about.html

and here:

http://www.928motorsports.com/uw.html

Ty will do a nice job for you, I'm sure. He is an graduate engineering student and fussy as all get out. Picky picky picky. Just what you want.

We are still shy a connector that we need, but are starting to model some up now rather than wait any longer.

Carl Fausett 07-14-2005 06:59 PM

I have a:

1983 944 NA harness from AznDrgn

and a

1986 951 harnedd from Scott

and a mystery harness - what looks like an early NA 944.

Did one of you send me a wiring harness? Can you tell me what it is from?

...and - I still need wiring harness from 1987-and-up 951

theedge 07-14-2005 06:59 PM


Originally Posted by Karl2bdc
It takes less than 5 minutes to work the harness out from the passenger footwell and out the firewall. Seems like it would take a lot more labor = higher cost to the consumer to put in another connection at the firewall. Higher cost and 944 owners don't go well in the same sentance.

I imagine the two connectors that connect to the DME/KLR boxes are the most expensive/hardest to source out new... IIRC Danno priced them out, $100+ each assuming you order 500 or 1000.

ibkevin 07-14-2005 08:10 PM

Geo, Carl,
If the connectior size is a good one, why not just stuff it back throught the firewall and leave the rubberboot covering it in the bay?

Carl Fausett 07-15-2005 11:52 AM


If the connectior size is a good one, why not just stuff it back throught the firewall and leave the rubberboot covering it in the bay?
The idea is to have a weather-tight connector on the engine side of the firewall to 1) facilitate installation, and 2) make for easier engine R&R, and 3) lower costs - the empty DRM/DRE connectors on the inside of the firewall are very expensive. This way we do not need to touch them.

IDEA: I have had quite a few emails asking for "custom" 951 harnesses because of one piggy-back electronics system or another. They all seem to want it with a couple extra wires loomed in, or not loomed - they want to add their wires and then tape it up.

How 'bout we loom it with a open-and-closeable loom for you? So you can open the loom, insert the wires you desire, and close it back up?

Carl Fausett 07-19-2005 05:15 PM

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Progress: I am working on the 944 harness and my son is working on the 951 harness.

These pics are the 944 harness in progress....

sh944 07-19-2005 05:25 PM

Heads up, after digging into it a bit, it appears that the '87 and later 951 harness will be significantly different, due to the addition of digital diagnostic (ala the Bosch "Hamer"). I am going to be pulling one out of an '87 shortly, and will see if its a good candidate to send to you or not.

Regards,

Carl Fausett 07-19-2005 05:36 PM

Excellent! We are working on a 1986 951 harness at the moment - and we always knew the 87 harness was different,but we do not have one to look at.

That sure will help.

RobNL 08-01-2005 04:56 AM

Any news on the wire harness?

Carl Fausett 08-04-2005 01:16 PM

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Arg! I have located every wiring connector except this one - and this connector in not in the Porsche PET or catalogs. We are stumped. Does anybody recognize it?

AlexE 08-04-2005 01:41 PM

That looks like the turbo timer temp sender plug??......... but its been a long time since I Have had the stock plug on that one. Someone with a stock 86 should be able to identify it.

Ken D 08-04-2005 02:01 PM

Yes, looks like the thermo switch for the turbocharger water pump.

theedge 08-04-2005 02:12 PM

How about a female crimp on butt connector with heatshrink over it? If its sized right, it might work the same way...

AlexE 08-04-2005 02:51 PM


Originally Posted by theedge
How about a female crimp on butt connector with heatshrink over it? If its sized right, it might work the same way...

That would be fine.

I am sure half the people who will by one........don't even use the stock connector anymore.

sm 08-08-2005 02:08 PM

A question from someone not on top of the basics of EE:

Will this new harness have wires that have the proper resistances, etc.?

Carl Fausett 08-09-2005 06:46 PM

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Yes - the new harness will have all the proper ohms and values. More so than even your current harness probably does as it corrodes - it gains resistance.

We thought we had found the attached connector - but the 944/951 parts catalog is wrong - can any one of you owners tell me where this one is used?

WesM951 08-09-2005 06:50 PM

Carl,
Looks like the connector for the O2 or the connector for the turbo water pump. Actually i think these are used multiple times.


Someone correct me if i'm wrong.

ftanguay 08-10-2005 04:08 AM

I found those connector in my company spare once... they are Canon connector

TRP951 08-10-2005 09:01 AM

Im pretty sure that is the O2 sensor, and the turbo water pump has 2 pins instead of 3

Jakerx 08-10-2005 11:02 AM

that is indeed the O2 sensor plug.

Carl Fausett 08-12-2005 05:03 PM

Because of all the requests we have received for "special wiring" so that you can run your piggy-back electronics thru the wire loom, we have decided to use a recloseable wire loom in the main body of the engine wiring harness. It will raise the price about $30 per wire harness, but you will be able to open the harness, lay in your wiring , and reseal it.

This is a braided mesh Heavy-Duty Polyester industrial wire sleeve, with a velcro closure all the way along the back of the loom. Not cheap slit-conduit like you see at Autozone.

From the manufacturer: "Tough, durable braided construction provides flexibility, prevents condensation, and permits heat and moisture dissipation. Sleeving expands to several times its diameter. Made of polyester (PET) for good resistance to abrasion and chemicals. Temperature range is -103° to +257° F. UL recognized and CSA certified. Easy-Open Wrap-Around— No need to disconnect wires or cables to install, just wrap the sleeving around them and secure with hook-and-loop closure. Access is permitted at any spot along the length of sleeving. Color is black. "

sm 08-12-2005 05:12 PM

Hi Carl:

Do you have an ETD?

Thanks!

Dan87951 08-12-2005 05:31 PM


Originally Posted by Carl Fausett
Because of all the requests we have received for "special wiring" so that you can run your piggy-back electronics thru the wire loom, we have decided to use a recloseable wire loom in the main body of the engine wiring harness. It will raise the price about $30 per wire harness, but you will be able to open the harness, lay in your wiring , and reseal it.

This is a braided mesh Heavy-Duty Polyester industrial wire sleeve, with a velcro closure all the way along the back of the loom. Not cheap slit-conduit like you see at Autozone.

From the manufacturer: "Tough, durable braided construction provides flexibility, prevents condensation, and permits heat and moisture dissipation. Sleeving expands to several times its diameter. Made of polyester (PET) for good resistance to abrasion and chemicals. Temperature range is -103° to +257° F. UL recognized and CSA certified. Easy-Open Wrap-Around— No need to disconnect wires or cables to install, just wrap the sleeving around them and secure with hook-and-loop closure. Access is permitted at any spot along the length of sleeving. Color is black. "

Cool I'm fine with that! How is the progress coming for the harness?

Thanks

Carl Fausett 08-13-2005 11:28 AM

Progress?

We have everything we need to start building them except: 1) the 20-pin connector we need; 2) and the 2 connectors I have shown photos of above.
The single straight-pin female connector is no problem, its the 3-pin O2 sensor that has us stumped for the moment. I am working with my Porsche rep on that.

Wasn;t somebody going to send us a 87 951 engine wiring harness to work with?

NZ951 08-13-2005 03:46 PM

PS the connector you posted is the same on the headlight... :)

hosrom_951 08-13-2005 05:27 PM


Originally Posted by Carl Fausett
Yes - the new harness will have all the proper ohms and values. More so than even your current harness probably does as it corrodes - it gains resistance.

We thought we had found the attached connector - but the 944/951 parts catalog is wrong - can any one of you owners tell me where this one is used?

That is also used for the oxygen sensor

ftanguay 08-14-2005 05:40 AM

the connector in the photo is a Cannon Sure seal

http://www.ittcannon.com/products/products.asp?pid=1015

ehall 08-16-2005 03:19 AM

bump i'm in for one. That connector is also the same as that used on the break pad sensors as I recall.

Carl Fausett 08-28-2005 08:28 PM

Progrerss note: Getting a single 24-pin connector has been a real pain-in-the-fanny. How long have we been working on this? 3 months? You would not believe how many calls we have made about this. So we are changing to somthing new - a 14-pin connector for all 20GA wires in the harness, and a 8-pin copnnector for all the bigger wires. These are much easier to get a hold of (we think). Carl

Carl Fausett 10-02-2005 06:10 PM

Progress: I had the MOLEX and AMP rep in our shop on Friday to look over our application and help me locate the missing gang connectors to make this happen. I have been screaming at Molex for 4 months for you guys - somehow we were between the cracks on this... now I have their attention.

The connectors they brought with them to show me for our 944/951 harness look terrific - I just have to place my order now.

We're close!

Geo 10-02-2005 06:28 PM

As someone pulling his wiring harness right now I can say this is awesome.

Are you going to have the correct color combination wires?

ibkevin 10-02-2005 07:01 PM

That's good news Carl, thank's.

theedge 10-02-2005 07:17 PM

Those SureSeal ones look bang on.

Carl, these ones youre getting to replace that 24 pin one, are they standard off the shelf parts or are they making a batch of some sort for you?

I ask because im about to start making my own harness this week, and that connector is the only one where I have to re-use the "shell" of it, now that ftanguay posted the source for the O2 one.

And no, nothing wrong with your product, im redoing mine myself because I wanted to customize the part inside the car, to connect to my MegaSquirt. Im sure yours is going to be kickass!

ftanguay 10-03-2005 09:30 AM

If molex are too slow you can alway have a good amphenol military connector. I did some project with them at work and the are bullet proof!

Carl Fausett 10-03-2005 11:31 AM

About Molex - now that I have been channeled to the right people, I do n ot think there is any problem at all anymore. They have the locking, water-tight, automotive-grade gang connector we wanted for the application, and I am placing our order for them now. I am told thay are all in stock.

As to the color and striping of the wires: two items that are in conflict with each other are: getting the same color/stripe color combination that Porsche used, and keeping costs down. Those striped wires are a bugger to locate and can be pricey. I have found about 600' or surpolus that I'll buy with the first order or two - it'll set me back about $800, but I should have enough striped wire for a lifetime of harnesses.

For those wires that we cannot match color-for-color, a "map" will be porovided with each kit so you know what your OEM wire was converted to. No problem.

PCinDC 10-03-2005 12:04 PM

Sounds good to me! When do you anticipate selling the first few of them?

500 10-14-2005 05:49 PM

Hi Carl,

Following up our recent off-line communication, I've packaged up a wiring harness for a 1987 944 S (five speed) and have sent it out today by Fedex. I also tagged the harness with the car model and year.

Let me know when it reaches your shores.

Thanks!

Carl Fausett 10-14-2005 07:05 PM

GOOD NEWS: I have received a big box of Molex connecotrs - everything that we have been waiting for! I think we should be able to take orders within 10 days or so.

AlexE 11-20-2005 05:44 PM

Bummpppitttyyy bump...

Just curious how the cutting and splicing is coming along.

:)

Carl Fausett 11-21-2005 08:17 PM

Progress Note: sorry this is taking so long boys.... been a much bigger job finding replacement connectors for all those sensors than we originally thought. Still, we have not given up. We also have not taken dollar $1 from anybody yet. I have been funding the whole development out of pocket.

Received the correct T-Connector today... got 40 of them (enough for 40 951 harnesses)
I ordered the last of the copper pin connectors we have been missing on Friday - hope they are here soon.

We're close!

Right now - here is what we are thinking....

I am trying to keep the price down as far as I can. The man hours on a single 951 wiring harness - with its shielded three-wire sensor connections - is nuts.
I think I am going to be able to come to market at:
$680 for a 944
$865 for a 951

We have discovered there are many, many variants of the 944 and 951 wiring harnesses over the years - even within the same model year.

So - we have decided we need to make them one-at-a-time using your harness as a pattern.

We solved two problems: some folks wanted us to make them a custom harness with wires for a Motec system or gauges or something. We have decided to ship the new harness with the wire-loom unshrunk - so you can add additional wires for gauges and sensors if you like before shrinking the loom yourself. It shrinks with a hair-dryer after you have added whatever wires you want.

Another problem occured with the connector: the cut-in connector that we are adding between the engine and the firewall for you. This is a waterproof, multi pin connector that will make removal of the engine or wiring harness a snap from now on, but we shuddered to think of the end-user splicing their car onto our harness - and how easilly that could get fouled up. So - we have decided that if you pull your harness to send it in - we will use it as a pattern AND we will splice the fire-wall side of the harness into the connectors for you.

What do you think? How does this sound?

Matt H 11-21-2005 08:20 PM

With all the work you put into this I hope you sell a lot of them but at near 700 dollars you are approaching the low end of the median value of a 944, which is a shame. Hopefully, some people step up and make this a worthwhile venture. I applaud your effort.
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500 11-21-2005 08:43 PM

Carl,

Thanks a lot for the update. Can you estimate roughly where in the quoted price range duplicating the 944 S harness I sent you would be?

Also, what is your payment policy? Although I'm not in any kind of a rush, I would like to make sure I'm "on the list" via. a deposit when you're ready to start accepting them.

Your suggestions for the dme connector splice sound fine to me.

Thanks!

PCinDC 11-30-2005 01:36 PM


Originally Posted by Carl Fausett
Progress Note: sorry this is taking so long boys.... been a much bigger job finding replacement connectors for all those sensors than we originally thought. Still, we have not given up. We also have not taken dollar $1 from anybody yet. I have been funding the whole development out of pocket.

Received the correct T-Connector today... got 40 of them (enough for 40 951 harnesses)
I ordered the last of the copper pin connectors we have been missing on Friday - hope they are here soon.

We're close!

Right now - here is what we are thinking....

I am trying to keep the price down as far as I can. The man hours on a single 951 wiring harness - with its shielded three-wire sensor connections - is nuts.
I think I am going to be able to come to market at:
$680 for a 944
$865 for a 951

We have discovered there are many, many variants of the 944 and 951 wiring harnesses over the years - even within the same model year.

So - we have decided we need to make them one-at-a-time using your harness as a pattern.

We solved two problems: some folks wanted us to make them a custom harness with wires for a Motec system or gauges or something. We have decided to ship the new harness with the wire-loom unshrunk - so you can add additional wires for gauges and sensors if you like before shrinking the loom yourself. It shrinks with a hair-dryer after you have added whatever wires you want.

Another problem occured with the connector: the cut-in connector that we are adding between the engine and the firewall for you. This is a waterproof, multi pin connector that will make removal of the engine or wiring harness a snap from now on, but we shuddered to think of the end-user splicing their car onto our harness - and how easilly that could get fouled up. So - we have decided that if you pull your harness to send it in - we will use it as a pattern AND we will splice the fire-wall side of the harness into the connectors for you.

What do you think? How does this sound?


I haven't been around for a while - just checked in to see if there was an update on this. Carl - I am still interested - what kind of turnaround time do you anticipate for this?

ibkevin 11-30-2005 04:36 PM

Carl,

Nice meeting you at Sharktoberfest!

I've been keeping in touch with the best local wrecker for a couple of weeks and despite new 951's coming in, all harnesses are burnt or sliced. He is going to take a look at just how bad the burns are. Do you still need an 87' Turbo?

Carl Fausett 12-01-2005 06:39 PM

I just got off the phone with my supplier in Europe. The last of the tin-plated copper metric connectors have been shipped. I am supposed to be able to start taking orders now!

I have everything in stock - and if I run out - I now now where they are to order more.

Lets start on this plan:

$680 for a 944
$865 for a 951
add $20 for S&H to send it back to you.

We will require payment and your engine wiring harness to model from.

The end of your wiring harness that goes thru-wall to the LMB and such will be returned to you, with the connector to our engine harness already spliced in for you.

Expect a lead time of 3-4 weeks right now until we get faster at it.

The heat-shrinkable looms on our new harness will not be heat-shrunk when you get the harness. That is so you can add your own extra wires for gauges or whatever to it before you take a hair drier to it and shrink it up. There are extra ports in out watertight connectors just for your add-on wires also.

You should ship your wiring harness and a check to:

928 Motorsports LLC
Attn: Wiring Harness Dept
604 E Maple St
Horicon, WI 53032

Questions? (920)485-0488

Carl Fausett 12-01-2005 07:25 PM

Pricing Note:
 
BTW - these prices are for you good lads on Rennlist who have patiently waited and have been sending wiring harnesses to us to help out. With your wiring harnesses, we have been able to chase down all those funky connectors or figure out alternates for the few connectors that just do not exist. Our many thanks.

But - when you see these 944 and 951 wiring harnesses in our catalog and website later - the prices will be higher.

Just identify yourself as a Rennlister when you send it in and place your order and we'll be sure that you get these numbers.

Carl Fausett 12-16-2005 01:08 PM

I just listed them on eBay - we are ready-to-go right now. All parts are in stock in my possession.
Rennlisters do not have to buy from eBay - you get the special prices shown in this thread above.
Instructions, Rennlister prices, and address are shown above.

shortyboy 12-18-2005 07:34 AM

sounds great!my harness is burnt to bits.i need to save up some $$$.

Tom M'Guinn 12-18-2005 12:24 PM

Carl, thanks very much for making this effort! Can I ask a few questions:

1. Is this an entirely new harness all the way from the DME and KLR connectors to the motor? Or do you re-use the customer's original DME and KLR connectors and harness up to the firewall and create a connection at the firewall for new engine-side harness? I ask because many of us have hacked the interior portion of the harness for aftermarket electronics and the like.

2. Do you preserve the factory color coding scheme for the wires?

Thanks!

Carl Fausett 12-18-2005 01:56 PM


Q1 ... do you re-use the customer's original DME and KLR connectors and harness up to the firewall and create a connection at the firewall for new engine-side harness?
Good Questions.

A1: Yes - but we do not make the transition from your wiring harness to ours at the firewall, we make that transition about 10" into the engine compartment from the firewall. I was not able to get a firewall mounted connector that works - plus I did not think Porsche guys would be too keen on drilling and sawing their firewall to make room for it. So we will re-use the stock thru wall and thru-wall grommet/gasket you have.


Q2. Do you preserve the factory color coding scheme for the wires?
A2: As much as possible. Some of the color/stripe combinations have had to be replaced with somthing else because they are unavailable.

Carl Fausett 12-30-2005 06:29 PM

Here I sit - with all these connectors in stock and design is ready - and not a single order!

ehall 12-30-2005 09:15 PM


Originally Posted by Matt H
With all the work you put into this I hope you sell a lot of them but at near 700 dollars you are approaching the low end of the median value of a 944, which is a shame. Hopefully, some people step up and make this a worthwhile venture. I applaud your effort.

I think Matt already stated the obvious answer to your question Carl. Add to that the time of year, and you get the idea. My guess is that you will sell the majority of these to those doin complete rebuilds. When I do my rebuild, I'll be calling you for one, but at 865.00 mine will have to be in awful shape.

500 12-31-2005 12:04 AM

Hey Carl,

Just sent you a PM as well. Definitely intending on getting one, but was hoping to put it off for about two months due to some other things going on right now.

Thanks!

shortyboy 01-08-2013 09:30 PM

Hi Carl,

are these still being made?

Carl Fausett 01-09-2013 12:04 PM

After all that research and me buying up all the bits I needed, no-one every ordered any.
They have never been made.

I just re-rear the whole post from front-to-back just to refresh my memory about what we said we decided to do.. The best posts are #140, 135, 124, 116, 101, and 100.

I could still proceed if I had a buyer or (hopefuily) more than one buyer.

Carl Fausett 01-09-2013 12:08 PM

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Can anybody tell we what this wiring harness is from?

It isnt tagged as to what car model its from, but the individual wires are tagged with masking tape.

I think it may be a 1983 944 NA harness from AznDrgn

pkt1213 01-09-2013 02:27 PM

This would be a perfect time to to have mine done for my 89 8V N/A. Motor is out and the wiring harness is off.......but I think I would be murdered by my wife if I spent any more money on it.

Ryan_U 01-09-2013 02:56 PM

I think that your harness would sell better if they were listed on the popular parts suppliers ofr 944 such as Paragon, 944online and Pelican... Maybe strike up a deal with them. I'd hate to see all this effort go to waste...

Carl Fausett 01-09-2013 03:14 PM


This would be a perfect time to to have mine done for my 89 8V N/A. Motor is out and the wiring harness is off.......but I think I would be murdered by my wife if I spent any more money on it.
Especially if you carry a high-payout life insurance policy naming her as the beneficiary. Thats not an insurance policy, its an incentive program.

Carl Fausett 01-09-2013 03:23 PM

I saw these prices that I posted in 2005 on the Rennlist:

$680 for a 944
$865 for a 951
add $20 for S&H to send it back to you.

We will require payment and your engine wiring harness to model from.

I'll still honor those prices for you to get this product going.
I'm sure there will be a price increase soon enough, but I have to get some of these in the field.

After we get up and running, I expect to ship 3 weeks or less from the date payment and your wiring harness is received. However, please understand if you are the first of any model (The S2, the 951, etc) I will need a little more time to source and fly in any little bits I find I do not have on hand.

Once I have built one of each, I will have all the bits on hand and we can hit the 3-week delivery timeline more commonly.

86 951 Driver 01-09-2013 03:51 PM

Are you requiring core harnesses for this?

944meister 01-09-2013 04:16 PM

wish i knew about this earlier, it would have been nice to have a new harness, but my car is already put together :(

Fara 01-09-2013 05:31 PM

I'm very interested in this.
Unfortunately, the original harness for my engine is a bit hacked up due to a previous owner's mechanical "improvements".

Do you still need a harness for an early (83) 944 to model one off?
If yes, I can probably get mine packaged up and sent off :)

(I'm aware return S&H will be significantly more than $20 most likely, to ship it to Australia)

J1NX3D 01-09-2013 06:52 PM

is there a difference between LHD and RHD late 944S2/968 engine harnesses?

Carl Fausett 01-10-2013 12:37 PM


Are you requiring core harnesses for this?
Yes, because of the many differences in model years and models - the best way to be sure that the harness we make for you is right for your car, is for you to send us the harness you are using now.

We cut it 10" from the firewall grommet and insert our connectors there. Everything from the connector forward is new. We also provide extra slots in the connectors for extra wire mounts (gauges, etc) and we use a reclosable wire loom so you can add more wires as you see fit in the future.

This plan also keeps costs down, as the DME connector is over $100 each - and that only when I order 500 at a time! (Which we are not going to do).

In our experience, all the wiring inside the passenger compartment is fine and does not have to be replaced. It has not had the damage done by heat, oil, and ozone like that in the engine bay.

When you get the wiring harness back, you will install it as before. In the future - when you pull your motor for servicing, you will be able to unplug the wiring harness at the connector and remove it with the motor in one piece.

pkt1213 01-10-2013 02:05 PM


Originally Posted by Carl Fausett (Post 10130656)
Especially if you carry a high-payout life insurance policy naming her as the beneficiary. Thats not an insurance policy, its an incentive program.

Shhh. I don't want her to know how much more I am worth dead then alive. She wouldn't have to work for years.

Fara 01-10-2013 05:14 PM

As my car was an early model for the Australian market, it doesn't come with an O2 sensor connection. Would this process add an O2 sensor?

sstrickstein 01-11-2013 02:58 AM

Id be game. I have a 86 944 NA 5 speed. However, I drive it dayly. If I pulled the harness, how long would I be down?

reno808 01-11-2013 06:27 PM

I have a 87 Tubro harness complete

Carl Fausett 01-12-2013 01:19 PM

Fara: no it would not add an O2 sensor if you do not have one now. You get back the same harness you ship us to work from.

SStrickstein: at this time, it looks like about 2-3 weeks. We will get faster as we start to stock more and more of the connectors. Most are in stock because we have been making 928 engine harnesses for years. But the 951 (in particular) is causing us to hunt up and bring in some new ones we dont have in our hands just yet.

Carl Fausett 01-12-2013 01:20 PM

reno808: we are working on a sample 944 harness now, and the 951 is next. Want to prove it to myself that we can find everything before I go too fast and make promises. Plus I want to take pictures and post it to our website so you guys can see it.

So tag that harness as to what it is and where it is from, then sit on it for just a little longer.... :)

pkt1213 01-14-2013 02:36 PM

I was just going to offer a guena pig harness as long as I could have it back in a couple of months. :-)

Carl Fausett 01-14-2013 02:43 PM

I appreciate that.

Let me finish our 944 NA harness first, so I can confirm that I like the connectors that we have found and I can take pics of it and confirm that you guys like the finished product.

Then we will "graduate" to the more complicated 951 harness.

FRporscheman 01-14-2013 07:55 PM

Carl, if you need another donor 951 harness, I have one you can have. It's still good but old, so I wasn't going to use it. I was going to make my own new harness but I'd rather buy one!

Carl Fausett 01-15-2013 11:27 AM

Thanks!

I have a good 944 NA harness here now to model and a 951 harness also. So for the moment, we're good.

We ordered our multi-pin connectors yesterday, and the rest of the loom arrives today. Pictures will follow...

FRporscheman 01-15-2013 05:48 PM

:jumper:

Carl Fausett 01-18-2013 03:32 PM

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Some pics of our 928 wiring harnesses for you so you can see the quality while you wait for me to post 944 harness pics

Dare 01-19-2013 01:07 PM

Carl,

How are you handling the engine ground wires? In the 951 harness, these converge at a cold weld joint within the snorkel section. From your description is sounds like your connector will be located past the engine end of the snorkel. Are you planning on soldering the grounds together before this point?

Carl Fausett 01-21-2013 04:02 PM

We found that many of the 944/951 series wires were just crimped into their connectors and left at that.

We are going thru the added step of soldering every wire-to-connector joint.

If I can find a minute to go grab a picture of an example from the wiring bench, I'll post it.

Carl Fausett 01-22-2013 01:13 PM

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I'm not sure I mentioned this yet or not...

We have two resealable looms we can use on the wiring harness so you can open and close your loom as many times as you like to add wires, inspect it, whatever.

The standard woven resealable loom is good to 257 deg F and is the loom that our prices are calculated with.

The High-temp loom is $15 a foot more expensive, but a worthy upgrade to those that want greater abrasion, chemical, and temperature resistance. I figure racers and 951 guys. It has a silicone outer, a firebraid inner lining, and is rated to 500 deg F.

Carl Fausett 01-25-2013 05:05 PM

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The diagramming of the 944 harness is complete. All routes, sizes, connectors and looms have been identified. The 944 wiring board has been made.

Now we start making the new one...

black944 turbo 01-25-2013 05:31 PM

Any idea of price for a 951 harness? Any idea on time frame?

Thanks for taking this on and sorry if these questions where answered earlier.

Carl Fausett 01-25-2013 05:59 PM

Thats all right. I started this thread in 2005... :)

I can tell you that the 951 harness is next right after the 944 one is completed. So - lets say witrin the next 45 days.

I can't tell you the price yet until everythingis here for it and I have a handle on the labor. I just got in the replacement Hammer connector (OBD I) for the 85/86 cars and that single connector was $65 at my cost (and we are a licensed Porsche parts distributor). Thats the sort of thing that drives prices up in a hurry. The 951 harness we are locating pieces for has one, so that why i found it and bought it....

Tom M'Guinn 01-25-2013 10:27 PM

I'd consider putting a weatherpac or other common connector on the end of the AFM wires, so that one could use jumper harnesses on the end with either the factory AFM connector or whatever connector is needed on the MAF being used. Seems like so many of these cars have aftermarket MAFs, it woud be worth accommodating them.... Just a thought on a greatly appreciated effort!

pkt1213 01-27-2013 11:12 PM

Looks good. I also have a spare harness for an 86 951 if you need one. I pulled if from my parts car before it got crushed.

pkt1213 01-27-2013 11:15 PM

I need to get some of the regular split loom to cover my harness before it goes back in my car. Can I order some of that from you?

Fara 01-28-2013 02:28 AM

Are you able to sell them if I don't have a core?

Carl Fausett 01-28-2013 11:45 AM


I need to get some of the regular split loom to cover my harness before it goes back in my car. Can I order some of that from you?
Yes. Email me what length you need at [email protected]


Are you able to sell them if I don't have a core?
No, because we are re-using the DME connectors to the computers to keep costs down. As I posted before, these are stupid-expensive even in quantity of 100+, and frankly, the wiring in the cabin, behind the firewall, is not usually bad and does not need replacement. No worries, I think you should be able to get a used wiring harness from somebody or some junkyard and have it sent to me to use as the core....

Carl Fausett 01-28-2013 01:30 PM

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Showing you a 944 harness in partial-completion. All the wires are run, it needs the connectors and loom.

CyCloNe! 01-28-2013 02:20 PM


Originally Posted by Carl Fausett (Post 10178727)
Showing you a 944 harness in partial-completion. All the wires are run, it needs the connectors and loom.

Wow just saw this thread, I wish to say a huge thank you for taking the time, money and engery to do this. I'm sure once they're for sale I'll be inline for one.

FRporscheman 01-29-2013 10:53 PM

What does the Hammer connector look like? Can you reuse the old one? I'd be interested in a 951 harness with no Hammer connecter, if they add $65+ to the price.

Carl Fausett 01-30-2013 03:39 PM

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This is the Hammer connector. It is for the diagnostic tool, OBD I version, popular at that time.

Without it, you would not be able to plug in and read any engine faults recorded in your ECU.

We have found a supply of new ones, and they will be wired into those factory engine harnesses that call for them.

Carl Fausett 02-11-2013 01:23 PM

Pics of Finished 944 Engine Harness
 
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The first 944 engine wiring harness is finished.

Here are some pics. I am working up pricing on this now.

Now we are moving on to finish the first 951 engine wiring harness and the 928 Injector wiring harnesses. Same thing with those, I want to make at least one first to be sure we can and actually have all the parts needed before I take any orders.

86 951 Driver 02-11-2013 03:53 PM

That looks awesome.

FRporscheman 02-12-2013 04:38 AM

Wow, nice!

Carl Fausett 02-12-2013 11:00 AM

Pricing
 
Pricing is finished: $685 for the 944 harness.

More details and ordering information is here:

http://www.928motorsports.com/parts/...ng_harness.php

CyCloNe! 02-12-2013 05:47 PM

wow fantastic, and pricing is very reasonable as well. Can't wait to see the 951 harness.

Toran 02-13-2013 07:28 AM

Hello Carl,

What if you have no Core to provide cause you need to keep the car on the road?

Carl Fausett 02-14-2013 01:20 PM

Then pull your harness when you put the car away for winter; or post here on the Rennlist that you are looking for a wiring harness used for your specific model year... maybe someone has got their old one they will let you have...

The cost of the DME connectors + the large number of variables from year and model to year and model made this the way it is. It is far less expensive and more accurate if we rebuild the harness you send us from your car. Then we know it will be right!

Sorry for any inconvenience.

Toran 02-15-2013 11:42 AM

Thanks Carl, I 'll have to figure out something since the car doesn't get put away at anytime.

944CS 02-15-2013 06:01 PM

I have a good used '86 944 Turbo Engine Wire harness, $80 for anyone that needs a core

Carl Fausett 02-16-2013 11:00 AM

Thanks for your post.

I would be delighted if anybody with a wiring harness core would post here. I know people are looking for them!

Dougs951 02-16-2013 05:43 PM

Carl I have a 951 harness minus one fuel injector connector, Could I send that as a core?

Carl Fausett 02-17-2013 05:32 PM

Yes, absolutely. No problem.

About the only time we could not use a core harness is if the wiring is missing so much, we cannot tell what length it was supposed to be or what connector is supposed to be on the end.

In this case, we know what connector, and how long it's supposed to be anyway.

Remember - about 8" past the firewall grommet on the engine side is where we cut in our connectors. Everything further forward than that will be NEW. Everything rear of that point will be as-is.

Carl Fausett 02-20-2013 03:10 PM

We just discovered that our sample 951 engine wiring harness has been previously altered by the PO - so I don't trust it as an accurate model.

I need a used 951 engine wiring harness now... it can be in "not great" condition, so long as we are able to tell the wire lengths and what the connectors are. It can have broken connectors, bad and cracked insulation - any of that is OK.

Dougs951 02-20-2013 04:40 PM

Carl Pm on the way

reno808 02-20-2013 06:11 PM


Originally Posted by Carl Fausett (Post 10240028)
We just discovered that our sample 951 engine wiring harness has been previously altered by the PO - so I don't trust it as an accurate model.

I need a used 951 engine wiring harness now... it can be in "not great" condition, so long as we are able to tell the wire lengths and what the connectors are. It can have broken connectors, bad and cracked insulation - any of that is OK.

Let me know i have one

Carl Fausett 02-21-2013 12:45 PM

Thank you reno808, I'll let you know if I need yours. I think I have one coming.

Carl Fausett 02-22-2013 12:45 PM

OK reno808 - its on you. The other harness I thought was coming is a no-go.

Please contact me at 920-485-0928 or [email protected] so I can make arraingements for yours.

Many thanks.

Fara 02-26-2013 02:55 AM

Because I'm sick of having things not working perfectly and my car has no o2 sensor:

WTB: Early 944 harness compatible with this remanufacturing. Must be for model with o2 sensor connector (single wire).

ehall 02-26-2013 04:57 AM


Originally Posted by Fara (Post 10255469)
Because I'm sick of having things not working perfectly and my car has no o2 sensor:

WTB: Early 944 harness compatible with this remanufacturing. Must be for model with o2 sensor connector (single wire).

Best advice, being that you are a paying member, is this; take a look and make a post in the WTB and for sale section of RL. Guys, who actually race 944's, often discard the original harness, for a reasonable price. That's a good place to get a solid harness from someone who likely isn't out to screw you and is a "Porsche community" type of guy.

Fara 02-26-2013 04:59 AM


Originally Posted by ehall (Post 10255528)
Best advice, being that you are a paying member, is this; take a look and make a post in the WTB and for sale section of RL. Guys, who actually race 944's, often discard the original harness, for a reasonable price. That's a good place to get a solid harness from someone who likely isn't out to screw you and is a "Porsche community" type of guy.

That's plan B. I thought I might as well post in here before asking in there ;)

ehall 02-26-2013 05:01 AM

both good plans! Good luck. It's all about keeping our cars on the road.

Carl Fausett 04-01-2013 04:56 PM

Still have not found a 1987 951 wiring harness that we can rely on as a good sample.
I could also go with a good used 1986 951 if I found one....

Anybody got a cracked or old one to share? This is what's holding us up.

944CS 04-02-2013 07:02 PM

I have 2 items maybe of interest on ebay:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/porsche-944-...70a1b3&vxp=mtr

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Porsche-944-...709a82&vxp=mtr

Carl Fausett 04-03-2013 04:01 PM

How much has that wiring harness been modified? I see some cut-off ends in the picture, so I am not sure...

944CS 04-03-2013 08:13 PM


Originally Posted by Carl Fausett (Post 10356392)
How much has that wiring harness been modified? I see some cut-off ends in the picture, so I am not sure...

All cable lengths are stock, no wires cut, only spliced into to receive signals for the Zeitronix datalogger.

pkt1213 04-09-2013 11:09 PM

Left you a VM about my spare harness.

Carl Fausett 04-10-2013 11:10 AM

Many thanks to pkt1213 - I just spoke with him and I think we have a good 86 turbo harness on its way to us....

Here's hoping!

admiralkhole 04-10-2013 11:48 AM


Originally Posted by Fara:10255469
Because I'm sick of having things not working perfectly and my car has no o2 sensor:

WTB: Early 944 harness compatible with this remanufacturing. Must be for model with o2 sensor connector (single wire).

Did you still need an early harness? I have one with the o2 connector.

Carl Fausett 04-10-2013 11:57 AM

I am being sent a 1986 951 harness. thats hsould have the single-wire O2 sensor, correct?

I would still like to see a 1987-88 951 harness...

Dougs951 04-10-2013 05:47 PM

Carl Pm on the way. Got some new material in the other day...

SoWis 05-12-2013 03:42 PM

Carl - I'm new to this site and have been phishing around for relevant topics, when I stumbled on to this post. I am in the process of converting my 1987 944S to an electric vehicle. As such I have the entire gas engine and its associated parts sitting in my garage. The main harness is one of those parts. Are you interested in reviewing this harness design for re-manufacturing purposes?

Thomas............

Carl Fausett 05-13-2013 12:50 PM

Sure!

Can you tell me how many wires does it have going tot he O2 sensor?

szabon 05-13-2013 01:48 PM

My 86 952 has 3 wire o2

rich7626 05-19-2013 01:11 PM

Very nice thread to stumble across. After installing a LR breather tank my 951 won't start. I fear that i might have caused a problem with my old wiring during the install. Currently checking the harness for the problem. I hope to see some new wiring from this thread in the future.

CyCloNe! 05-19-2013 05:42 PM


Originally Posted by szabon (Post 10458401)
My 86 952 has 3 wire o2

My 86 also has a 3 wire setup for the o2 sensor

ehall 05-20-2013 12:17 AM


Originally Posted by rich7626 (Post 10474273)
Very nice thread to stumble across. After installing a LR breather tank my 951 won't start. I fear that i might have caused a problem with my old wiring during the install. Currently checking the harness for the problem. I hope to see some new wiring from this thread in the future.

no way! You have a major vacuum leak, or failed to hook up something. IF the tach doesn't bounce, it's the sensor harness, or the sensors themselves, or the TPS. It's not the harness, proper.

Supachink 05-24-2013 05:51 PM

Carl,

nice to see this thread pop back up after so many years... I'll have to let my brother (AznDrgn) know that it all actually came to fruition! I'd be interested in an 86' turbo harness when you get to that point... didnt read the whole thread, but is there a estimated price?

Thanks,
Greg

Carl Fausett 05-28-2013 03:33 PM

We are making 82-85 models right now for $685.00
http://www.928motorsports.com/parts/...ng_harness.php

The 1986-and up adds a little complexity to the 85 and older models, and we cannot yet find ALL the OEM connectors, but we have found substitutes that work.

I can make your 1986 harness now for $785.00

Read the thread - you need to remove tyour current harness and send it to us for fitment - we re-use the DME connectors that you have under the dash.

Arominus 05-28-2013 04:13 PM


Originally Posted by SoWis (Post 10456306)
Carl - I'm new to this site and have been phishing around for relevant topics, when I stumbled on to this post. I am in the process of converting my 1987 944S to an electric vehicle. As such I have the entire gas engine and its associated parts sitting in my garage. The main harness is one of those parts. Are you interested in reviewing this harness design for re-manufacturing purposes?

Thomas............

If Carl doesn't want the harness, I would be very interested in getting it. My car had a fire at some point in its life and parts of the harness are a little melted. It all works but it looks ugly.

Carl if you make one for the S based off it I would also be interested. The 16v cars have a different harness than the NA's. (cam sensor, ignitor up by the coolant bottle, ect)

Carl Fausett 05-28-2013 05:58 PM

I am very interested in that 1987 harness. Been trying to contact Thomas...

Carl Fausett 05-28-2013 06:00 PM

Basically, if anybody want to be first, I will make the 1986-87 harness for the price of the '84-'85 harness just to get this going.

I just need somebody to order one so I can make one. I need your OEM harness to work from.

CurtP 05-28-2013 09:49 PM

Carl,
I've been trying to source a good 86 or 87 engine harness to send to you, but have not been successful. I cannot send my current harness because it's been hacked too much and I can't have the car down right now.

Fara 05-29-2013 01:33 AM

I've been trying to locate the differences between the RHD and LHD harnesses before I obtain a US harness with the O2 sensor.

Without the o2 sensor, I'm just not going to get the results I am looking for out of my Rogue Tuning and new exhaust system :(

Anyone know the differences in the harnesses? Mine's an early RHD car.

[email protected] 11-12-2013 08:37 PM

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I have a good '87 NA harness, complete and unmolested, $60...

Carl Fausett 09-19-2014 05:51 PM

At this time, we have been stopped by
1) lack of availability to all the connectors we need, and
2) a good unmolested 951 harness to work from as a model.

So all we can offer is to make the 944 NA harnesses, which we do.
Here:
http://www.928motorsports.com/parts/...ng_harness.php

ehall 09-19-2014 08:20 PM

Carl,

If you had a good, unmolested harness, how long would the delay be, for connectors, and turn around time, for the rebuilt harness?

Theoretically, of course. I realise that you can't account for every edird thing that might come up.

Carl Fausett 09-22-2014 11:52 AM

...for a 944 NA or other?

If other (944S2 or 951) having a good model has been only part of the problem. The connectors and the shielded coaxial connections for the engine sensors have been the problems there. Can't get them, and have not found a good work-around.

We could try again, but the 951 harness was surprisingly difficult because of that shielded coax and the other connectors we have not been able to get.

ehall 09-22-2014 08:49 PM

Ahh, okay. Thanks Carl.

azbanks 11-06-2014 02:16 AM

Did you ever get a good 86 951 harness to work with? I have one that is in pretty good shape. I did modify it to work with M-tune. That modification involves just on wire cut.

You tap(don't cut) one wire on to the wire for pin 9 in the DME plug and then you cut the wire for pin 28 and connect the MAP sensor to the two cut ends.

Here is Joshua's write up on how to do the modification. It is really easy.

http://roguetuning.com/map_sensor_installation

Voith 11-06-2014 08:33 AM

If anybody is interested, I have unmolested 89 951 harness and 85.5 NA harness cut in half. (don't ask) :)

MacinTek 01-03-2015 10:25 PM

Oil Level Sender Connector (pigtail)
 
Greetings all... I am in search of a replacement for the Oil LEVEL Sender connector with perhaps 6" of wire to connect to my '91 S3 harness. The old connector seems to have divorced the wire from within. Any suggestions?

Carl Fausett 01-07-2015 06:01 PM

I still am waiting for an unmolested used wiring harness. I have found a manufacturer that I am confident can get them made for us correctly, but we need a unmolested sample to work from.

It will be old, with cracked insulation and corrosion. That's OK. But cut, soldered, modified not OK.

I need a 944NA (early) sample, a 951 sample, and a 944S2 sample.

Let me know as soon as you find one!

odonnell 01-07-2015 06:43 PM

There's an 88 NA at a parts yard about 45 mins away from me. I'll probably be heading there in the next 2 weeks if anyone wants the harness and can paypal me for whatever it ends up being.

MacinTek 01-07-2015 07:32 PM

Here's a wrench in your gears... Where can one get an engine harness for 968 (includes variocam and MAF leads,etc.)

Adonay 04-27-2017 03:15 PM

what happened to this ? Did You ever get a unmolested 951 harness?

ehall 04-27-2017 04:28 PM


Originally Posted by Adonay (Post 14142207)
what happened to this ? Did You ever get a unmolested 951 harness?

Highly unlikely, but I'll choose to be hopeful.

Carl Fausett 04-28-2017 01:34 PM


Did You ever get a unmolested 951 harness?
We did not.

shortyboy 04-28-2017 02:15 PM


Originally Posted by Carl Fausett (Post 14144482)
We did not.

Carl,

I have a harness thats in ok condition that i can send you. I only spliced in a vitesse piggyback and re-wired the AFM plug to MAF plug. Would really like a new harness made. Let me know if this can help in anyway and Ill send it to you. Thanks -Wayne

Carl Fausett 04-28-2017 04:43 PM

It seems nearly every 944/951 wiring harness has been cut or spliced in some way. And that's just on the way IN. While they were here, we get requests "and add a port for my (this) or (that)."

We get the willies when we are looking at these because we just know that our chances of wiring them the way the owner wants is nearly nil.

This, and the fact that the 951 has that unusual coaxial cable in it with the impossible-to-find connectors, is what killed the 944 wiring harness project.

ehall 04-29-2017 01:13 AM

^^^^ Color me surprised. lol You would have had better success finding unmolested birds nests. These things really are a mess.

Bob Ward 11-04-2018 10:52 PM

so no early 944 harnesses available??

Carl Fausett 11-05-2018 10:39 AM

No sir. I'm sorry. It never came to be.

tempest411 11-05-2018 04:43 PM

Was it from lack of demand, or just the inability to find a useable used harness to build a prototype from? Have you thought of carrying the terminals for your customers to purchase for repairs?

Although not for an early car, I would really like to find the connector that plugs on to the low oil level sender located in the oil pan of the later cars. I have one of these I want to incorporate into my '84.

shortyboy 11-06-2018 02:49 AM


Originally Posted by tempest411 (Post 15410828)
Was it from lack of demand, or just the inability to find a useable used harness to build a prototype from? Have you thought of carrying the terminals for your customers to purchase for repairs?

Although not for an early car, I would really like to find the connector that plugs on to the low oil level sender located in the oil pan of the later cars. I have one of these I want to incorporate into my '84.

He required an un-modified good harness as a base for each model 944 to start.

Lindsey Racing now offers a semi full replacement harness. You will need to depin original harness from DME connector from what I understand

MAGK944 11-06-2018 08:32 AM

If there was a demand Kroon would have done it already. Unfortunately not many na owners will spend $2k for a completely new factory spec wiring harness even if it would fix 99% of any electrical issues :rolleyes:

fejjj 11-06-2018 09:20 AM

There is a poll on FB in the Premier 944 Turbo Community page regarding this.

Carl Fausett 11-06-2018 11:23 AM


Was it from lack of demand, or just the inability to find a usable used harness to build a prototype from? Have you thought of carrying the terminals for your customers to purchase for repairs?
The project was cancelled due to 1) lack of interest, and 2) not being able to find a good solution for the Coaxial connectors that Porsche used. When the project exceeded what we could manufacture in house, I sent a 944 harness out to a company that does nothing but restoration harnesses for cars. Its all they do. And even they came back to me and said that they didn't want to make it for fear of too high a failure rate because of that coax connector.

So, what we went with was to instead stock the bulk of the electrical connectors you need and let the consumer repair the wiring harness they already have as needed.

The listing of our wiring harness repair products and connectors is here: https://928electrical.com/

Torrem3 11-07-2018 08:47 AM

Okay, this is a reasonable compromise between the new harness and none. Also it will give me the chance to stop and go through out the rebuild.

As as an aside, a member mentioned many posts back that there is a spot towards the front of the block /starter area where the harness had a tendency to chaff and cause all sorts of issues. Does anyone know where exactly he is talking about this or have a photo? I want to take a peek myself and see the condition of that harness

V2Rocket 11-07-2018 09:55 AM

**** no, would you pay $2k for a harness?
once upon a time i priced out parts and connectors etc to DIY a brand new harness (only reusing the DME plug and i think one other) and its maybe $100 for suitable material.
if you wanted metric Germans-spec color-coded wire then the price does go up a bit but $2k is nuts.


Originally Posted by MAGK944 (Post 15412188)
If there was a demand Kroon would have done it already. Unfortunately not many na owners will spend $2k for a completely new factory spec wiring harness even if it would fix 99% of any electrical issues :rolleyes:


Hack 11-07-2018 11:33 AM

The problem is the labor from what I've been told. Wiring harnesses tend to be expensive.

Carl Fausett 11-07-2018 12:17 PM

+1 Yes, it is.

snb13 11-12-2018 09:38 PM

Someone snatch this up

https://944online.com/index.php/engi...ZkOvV3OMNoa5zg

Tiger03447 11-13-2018 12:48 PM

Has anyone contacted New England Wiring Harness to see what they have in stock, or if they would be willing to redo an existing harness? They treated me quite well when I had them rebuild/ construct new/ my 1955 Mercedes 190 SL harness. Excellent work, all German braiding and color coding with tinned ends on the wires to put into the harness connection blocks. That was many years ago, and the price was OK then. Presumeably the prices would have gone up since then. They are well regarded in the classic car field and advertise in Hemmings almost every month. Give it a shot..it's only a phone call.

Torrem3 11-13-2018 01:02 PM

I see Ian from 944Online is selling new Porsche 944 complete engine harnesses in their packages. Since one of the concerns was the mutilated/modified condition of used ones he’s come across. Would 928MotorsportsElectrical be up for grabbing these and reproducing them for the NA’s? He has I believe the complete range of years for the NA’s

Tiger03447 11-15-2018 06:11 AM

I need to replace some the fuel injector plastic clips on my early 944. I bought some of the boots and other parts to redo them, but the original ones have a sealer around the boot. Any way to get these buggers off without having to clip the wire? Thought about depinning the connectors, but no luck there either. Any thoughts? Thanks.

The Forgotten On 11-16-2018 02:02 AM


Originally Posted by Tiger03447 (Post 15432117)
I need to replace some the fuel injector plastic clips on my early 944. I bought some of the boots and other parts to redo them, but the original ones have a sealer around the boot. Any way to get these buggers off without having to clip the wire? Thought about depinning the connectors, but no luck there either. Any thoughts? Thanks.

Just buy a new harness from Lindsey Racing and forget about it :) https://www.lindseyracing.com/LR/Por...4-HAR-INJ.html

Your wires are very crispy at this point and replacing them will eliminate many headaches in the future.


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