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Old 07-16-2019, 10:30 AM
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Not too long ago, I decided to start doing full maintenance on my 1984 944 and, when I took off the spark plugs, I noticed oil on the threads a bit in the holes. All 4 spark plugs were oily...

What could be the cause of this issue?


I also found some oil under the balancing shaft, what could be the cause of this leak? I was thinking maybe the O-ring of the balancing shaft? Any leads?

Old 07-16-2019, 01:49 PM
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How much oil is that in plug holes? I can't tell. But it is good practice to apply a bit of oil to the spark plug threads upon installation to prevent seizing. It's possible that too much oil was applied.

Leaks from the balance shaft seals as well as the crank shaft or cam shaft seals are not very uncommon. I recommend looking at these rather incredible diagrams for guidance (not sure what year your car is but do check the right diagram) :
http://www.autoatlanta.com/porsche-p...944_parts.php#
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It wasn`t a huge amount but still enough to be alarmed.
Are the pictures loading for you?

I have an early model car, 1985.1 North American Model 944

I doubt that that leak is from the camshaft as I would`ve seen more oil on the top part of the engine coming from the cam tower and the crank wouldnt leak on top of the crank, would it?
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The pics are loading but I don't see any oil adjacent to the hole you showed so I would clean it up and not worry about it if I were you. Is it the same in all the holes?

And I agree, that does look like an upper balance shaft seal leak.
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I'll clean the holes today and let you know if there's any oil after runnning the engine a bit...

Would a Q-Tip do the job to clean it?

As for the balancing shaft, the bottom of the cap feels pretty oily so I`m fairly certain its leaking now. Where could I get a seal kit for those for not too much money?
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Anything that is absorptive and won't leave behind little fibers will work.

I would recommend pelicanparts.com for things like that. Additionally, you can search part numbers in google to see if other reputable sources, like arnnworx, paragon, rennbay, or zim's sells them
Good luck!
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Originally Posted by Habofro
I'll clean the holes today and let you know if there's any oil after runnning the engine a bit...

Would a Q-Tip do the job to clean it?

As for the balancing shaft, the bottom of the cap feels pretty oily so I`m fairly certain its leaking now. Where could I get a seal kit for those for not too much money?
Give Andrew a call at WeTune/ AGM in Lachine , he's a Porsche specialist and can supply you with parts !
He also maintains and services many local Porsches ...

1900 Norman , Lachine
514-633-1497

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I'd recommend an entire front engine reseal and timing belt/balance belt/waterpump/pulley replacement since you'll be removing these items (except the water pump) in order to service the seals. FCP Euro may have the parts you're after. You'll also need tools to perform the timing and balance belt and pulley removal/install. All in all its a fairly labor intensive job to do it, but once its done, it'll go another 45K without issue.

You might also replace the oil pump gear and seals on the crankshaft if you haven't already.

Also, Curil T is a great sealant - check it out.
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Originally Posted by bonus12
Anything that is absorptive and won't leave behind little fibers will work.

I would recommend pelicanparts.com for things like that. Additionally, you can search part numbers in google to see if other reputable sources, like arnnworx, paragon, rennbay, or zim's sells them
Good luck!
I found a pretty good deal for the front seal on Zim, 50$, seems like a steal!

Any special tool I'll need to do this job?
I'll be doing the belt change while I'm there
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I'll probably do my alignment at WeTune but honestly, for the rest me and my 944 guru will do the job together!

Thanks for the information thought!
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Check out arnnworx.com for tools and he also has great DIY stuff on his site. Bruce is a great guy BTW. I have several of his tools - wrenches for the balance belt adjustment and to remove the balance shaft gears, belt tensioning tool, flywheel lock, etc. All good stuff.
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The two special tools I use for belts changes are a flywheel lock and a pair of 90-degree needle nose pliers (I think it's harbor freight -- got them at the auto parts store...and they come in handy for other things ALL the time ... no way are they as sturdy as Arnnworx's version, I'm sure). Good luck! Working on the 944 is fun, satisfying, and saves you money.
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Originally Posted by Seattle 993
I'd recommend an entire front engine reseal and timing belt/balance belt/waterpump/pulley replacement since you'll be removing these items (except the water pump) in order to service the seals. FCP Euro may have the parts you're after. You'll also need tools to perform the timing and balance belt and pulley removal/install. All in all its a fairly labor intensive job to do it, but once its done, it'll go another 45K without issue.

You might also replace the oil pump gear and seals on the crankshaft if you haven't already.

Also, Curil T is a great sealant - check it out.
+1 for this. Habofro Send me a message with your VIN and the parts you're after and I'd be happy to look this up for you. I can also source most specialty tools if you're in need of that as well.
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The spark plug wells are not connected to any sort of source of oil like on a 16V car. There is no way for oil to get in there from the engine itself.

It is most likely what others stated above or a leaky PCV hose coming off of the air oil separator.
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if you clean the entire motor, the source(s)s of leak(s) is more evident.

on the plugs....screw the plug back in and either squirt some cleaner in there and blast it out with an air hose.. or a non flammable cleaner and a shop vac hose choked down with some smaller hose.
plugs effectively use crush type washers and never seal as good the second time. don't let anything go into the plug hole.

it is good to put neversieze on steel to aluminum connections. kinda normal to see a little goop there.

plus 1 to fpc. great prices and unbeatable guarantee on parts.

if you are going to touch the front of the motor...go all in. if one seal leaks, the others are sure to follow. start from the thermostat back to the onion skin seals. races and all.

its easier to do the oil cooler/exchanger housing at this time also. read the manual and use the proper dressings in the appropriate area.



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