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Old 03-14-2019, 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Gage
Are you planning to remove the balance shaft covers?
I’m conflicted on this one because there’s no evidence that the balance shaft covers are leaking. Do they often leak?
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They do. Most often at the rear of the housings. My upper balance shaft has been leaking for a few years, but it’s a Turbo, so I ashamedly put up wit it versus the amount of work required to replace the small o-ring to blame for the leak.
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They do and they will. It's an unfortunate design detail of the rear o ring seals that they are not serviceable without removal of the covers.
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Originally Posted by EJZero1
They do. Most often at the rear of the housings. My upper balance shaft has been leaking for a few years, but it’s a Turbo, so I ashamedly put up wit it versus the amount of work required to replace the small o-ring to blame for the leak.
Hmm, interesting. Mine's a turbo too so I don't want to have to get back in this far anytime soon. Can those rear o-ring be replaced without removing the entire housing?

I'm reluctant to remove the entire housing because it's one more sealing surface that I have to get exactly right or have a new leak. Clark's Garage recommends leaving them alone unless they leak, but maybe that's just because of the amount of work to get to them in the car.
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Work for today will include replacing front of engine races and seals on the crank, cam, and balance shafts. Here's why you probably want to replace your races as well as the seal. The scoring, though barely noticeable to your fingernail, is where the old seal rode, so even a new seal could leak:


Oil pump gear. Interesting that this one from Paragon has a different gear profile. Same dimensions and slides right in place. Old one also scored:


The oil pickup tube seal was in terrible shape, making me think it was incorrect (just a little more evidence that this motor may have been rebuilt in the past). Old one and the new one installed:



Cheers!
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More good pictures and tips...thanks, keep up the great work!
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Looking good! Change the balance shaft seals. They are as old as the rest
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Originally Posted by mj951
More good pictures and tips...thanks, keep up the great work!

Originally Posted by Dan Martinic
Looking good! Change the balance shaft seals. They are as old as the rest
Sigh. You're right, you're right, I know you're right!
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voith might have his custom balance shaft seals available.

looks like the o-ring on the upper balance shaft housing and the oil filter housing are the primary leaks
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While we're poking holes in your productivity... Oil cooler seals?
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Originally Posted by Gage
While we're poking holes in your productivity... Oil cooler seals?
Well I haven’t tackled the oil cooler and hoses yet, but I know one of my major leaks was coming from one or both of the hoses. I plan to reseal the oil filter housing, new hoses, and I’m sure oil cooler seals.

Back to the balance shaft housings, is it routine to replace the balance shaft bearings, or can I inspect them and then decide?
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In a clean engine like yours, the balance shaft bearings will be fine.
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Great work! I did this same thing to mine in 2016-2017 and it was such a rewarding and fun experience. Your motor will look awesome when it's all complete.

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A little update here. I've decided to do the balance shaft o-rings so I've got the lower cover off at this point. You can see my new Loctite 574, which is a flange sealant. From what I understand, it is only for metal to metal surfaces, so people use it for engine case halves like a 911 or air-cooled VW motor. $22 for that little tube on Amazon.



You can also see in the photo that the oil pan is back on with a new gasket. After reading much about it, I decided to install it dry in an effort to keep it from squishing out the sides as I torqued it. I also carefully cleaned the mating surfaces and the rubber gasket with rubbing alcohol. Took for ever to tighten the bolts in multiple stages because you have to keep coming back around again as gasket compresses. Snugged first, then 6 Nm and then 8 Nm.




I've also decided to reseal the oil filter housing, so I have a kit from 944online on its way. More to come...
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Progress is slow at the moment, but I've been accumulating more parts so I can go into full on assembly mode. Now that I have my balance shafts out, I keep looking at the shaft bearings. There are some light wear marks and I'm wondering if I should replace or use as is. They aren't exactly cheap (unlike everything else, haha!).





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