Notices
924/931/944/951/968 Forum Porsche 924, 924S, 931, 944, 944S, 944S2, 951, and 968 discussion, how-to guides, and technical help. (1976-1995)
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

Failed CA SMOG, NOx a tad too high!

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 07-08-2018, 07:17 PM
  #1  
Welcome To Hell
6th Gear
Thread Starter
 
Welcome To Hell's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2018
Posts: 6
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Question Failed CA SMOG, NOx a tad too high!

Car was warmed up for 30 mins prior to the test, which was on a very hot day

Also notice how the CO% and HC% are very well below the limit

I am wondering what could be causing this?




Thanks!
Old 07-08-2018, 08:54 PM
  #2  
V2Rocket
Rainman
Rennlist Member
 
V2Rocket's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Nashville, TN
Posts: 45,497
Received 633 Likes on 490 Posts
Default

How old is your o2 sensor?

though if you mess with the DME fuel quality switch and add 3 or 7% fuel, whatever the adjustment is, you'll probably pass.
Old 07-10-2018, 11:15 PM
  #3  
Welcome To Hell
6th Gear
Thread Starter
 
Welcome To Hell's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2018
Posts: 6
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Just tried smogging with the position 3 on this guide (I have the 85.5 944) so fuel +6.3% spark 0

https://members.rennlist.com/951_racerx/FQS-adjust.html

As you can see failed with slightly worst Parts Per Million (PPM) Reading, i guess the 02 sensor is the next step


Old 07-11-2018, 06:13 AM
  #4  
tempest411
Rennlist Member
 
tempest411's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Discovery Bay, CA
Posts: 1,792
Received 181 Likes on 149 Posts
Default

Thank you for the update. How old are the cat and O2 sensor? If more than 5 years/50K miles I'd just replace them. They're not that expensive.
Old 07-11-2018, 11:09 AM
  #5  
V2Rocket
Rainman
Rennlist Member
 
V2Rocket's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Nashville, TN
Posts: 45,497
Received 633 Likes on 490 Posts
Default

are you sure you got it to the right click?
adding more fuel should have made your HC/CO numbers go higher at the tradeoff of lower NOX.
if you went 1 click too far it would have left fuel the same and reduced timing which raises NOX.
Old 07-14-2018, 01:49 PM
  #6  
Welcome To Hell
6th Gear
Thread Starter
 
Welcome To Hell's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2018
Posts: 6
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

I did it a couple of times to make sure i am in the right pos, although it is difficult to tell because the blue switch is wobbly and recessed deep within the computer housing
Old 07-21-2018, 01:44 PM
  #7  
Miggytosh
Rennlist Member
 
Miggytosh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: SF Bay Area
Posts: 244
Received 139 Likes on 68 Posts
Default

I bought a car from Georgia that had all the smog parts on it but had the same issue. I ran through two tanks of chevron gas and added a bottle of the cheveron techroline (sp?) additive to each tank based on advice from smog station and a reputable Porsche mechanic. Their instructions - put good gas in it, add the additive, and drive the **** out of it. That improved things dramatically. I still failed... but barely. Then I replaced my O2 sensor and I went from being a super polluter to a super clean runner. I suspect the O2 sensor alone would have fixed it but I did have fun trying the first option :-)
Old 07-21-2018, 07:15 PM
  #8  
944vaguy
Intermediate
 
944vaguy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: western Va.
Posts: 25
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

You can lean it out by adjusting the spring inside of the AFM but this is last resort. Make sure you mark the original position and then turn spring wheel clockwise causing more tension not allowing barn door to open as far....I know I will get a lot of post telling you not to do this but if you mark original position so you can set it back then no damage done. Guaranteed to lean it out......
Old 07-22-2018, 11:17 AM
  #9  
V2Rocket
Rainman
Rennlist Member
 
V2Rocket's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Nashville, TN
Posts: 45,497
Received 633 Likes on 490 Posts
Default

you want to enrich the mixture to make Nox go down....
Old 07-30-2018, 12:34 AM
  #10  
Welcome To Hell
6th Gear
Thread Starter
 
Welcome To Hell's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2018
Posts: 6
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

So i tried Smogging with a brand new O2 sensor, did not change the results, NOX still a tad to high. Although car over all runs noticably smoother.

Will try the AFM method next
Old 07-30-2018, 10:33 AM
  #11  
benchod
Intermediate
 
benchod's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2018
Location: NJ
Posts: 44
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

The EGR system is responsible for lowering NOX. Give it a nice good clean with some carb cleaner. Your numbers should be within range after that.
Old 07-30-2018, 11:11 AM
  #12  
marc abrams
Burning Brakes
 
marc abrams's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Posts: 1,137
Likes: 0
Received 7 Likes on 7 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by benchod
The EGR system is responsible for lowering NOX. Give it a nice good clean with some carb cleaner. Your numbers should be within range after that.
What EGR?
Old 07-30-2018, 12:42 PM
  #13  
benchod
Intermediate
 
benchod's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2018
Location: NJ
Posts: 44
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by marc abrams
What EGR?
Good point, There isn't one on the 944. Oops!
Old 07-30-2018, 01:14 PM
  #14  
marc abrams
Burning Brakes
 
marc abrams's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Posts: 1,137
Likes: 0
Received 7 Likes on 7 Posts
Default

The AFM would be the last resort. That would be a getto fix. Plenty of other things to try. You could have a vacuum leak leaning out the mixture. Try reading the spark plugs and check them for the correct heat range too. By any chance do you have a chip in the ECM/DMC that's advancing the ignition timing beyond stock? Keep this in mind, Nox forms if combustion temperature are too high.
Old 07-30-2018, 06:21 PM
  #15  
400hp944
Burning Brakes
 
400hp944's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: San Diego
Posts: 866
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

Try a few gallons of 110 Octane unleaded and drive it for a half hour before the test. Should pass no problem.



Quick Reply: Failed CA SMOG, NOx a tad too high!



All times are GMT -3. The time now is 07:40 AM.