Timing belt/water pump kit
02-09-2018, 01:46 PM
#16
The seals that thomasmryan is talking about you only have to worry about if you are replacing the camshaft, balance shafts, and crankshaft front seals. While it's a good idea to do those seals while you're in there it's not mandatory. You don't need any more special tools to do those seals than you need for water pump replacement except for a triple square socket for the camshaft bolt.
02-09-2018, 05:20 PM
#17
Yes, not mandatory but common practice to replace those items with the pump every other belt change.
Steel fasteners in aluminum might need a slight tap before you attempt to loosen them. Coat the threads of your new studs to avoid future headaches.
If you get a green water pump gasket, it should be installed dry. If you get a grey or black gasket, it is wise to use some hylomar or a gasket sealant.
Steel fasteners in aluminum might need a slight tap before you attempt to loosen them. Coat the threads of your new studs to avoid future headaches.
If you get a green water pump gasket, it should be installed dry. If you get a grey or black gasket, it is wise to use some hylomar or a gasket sealant.
02-09-2018, 05:32 PM
#18
Instructor
Thread Starter
Awesome! Looks like I’m set then with the order I put together for this first time around changing the pump and belts.
Last question (until at least I start this job).
Are these tool kits that much different?
The tool kit from 944online is $130
https://944online.com/index.php/timi...-tool-kit.html
The tool kit from Arnnworx is $307
http://www.arnnworx.com/catalog/inde...roducts_id=188
Last question (until at least I start this job).
Are these tool kits that much different?
The tool kit from 944online is $130
https://944online.com/index.php/timi...-tool-kit.html
The tool kit from Arnnworx is $307
http://www.arnnworx.com/catalog/inde...roducts_id=188
02-09-2018, 10:24 PM
#19
Nordschleife Master
Awesome! Looks like I’m set then with the order I put together for this first time around changing the pump and belts.
Last question (until at least I start this job).
Are these tool kits that much different?
The tool kit from 944online is $130
https://944online.com/index.php/timi...-tool-kit.html
The tool kit from Arnnworx is $307
http://www.arnnworx.com/catalog/inde...roducts_id=188
Last question (until at least I start this job).
Are these tool kits that much different?
The tool kit from 944online is $130
https://944online.com/index.php/timi...-tool-kit.html
The tool kit from Arnnworx is $307
http://www.arnnworx.com/catalog/inde...roducts_id=188
02-15-2018, 04:12 PM
#20
Racer
I'm about to order the stuff to do my first 944 (86 N/A) timing belt and water pump change. Also doing a new head gasket and having head checked out.
I am going to order from AllZim. Here is what I am ordering:
Timing Belt Kit with rollers AllZims SKU: 944.102/105.LKT $214.00
Water Pump AllZims SKU: 944.106.021.22 $139.95
Water Pump Gasket AllZims SKU: 944.106.132.04 $3.95
Head Gasket Set AllZims SKU: 944.100.901.00 $132.00
My question is about the other stuff they sell on the same page: (Do I need any of it?)
Loctite 574 Case Sealant $39
Reinzosil Sealing Compound $15
Drei Bond Silikone 1209 $28
Curil T Sealing Compound $19
I am going to order from AllZim. Here is what I am ordering:
Timing Belt Kit with rollers AllZims SKU: 944.102/105.LKT $214.00
Water Pump AllZims SKU: 944.106.021.22 $139.95
Water Pump Gasket AllZims SKU: 944.106.132.04 $3.95
Head Gasket Set AllZims SKU: 944.100.901.00 $132.00
My question is about the other stuff they sell on the same page: (Do I need any of it?)
Loctite 574 Case Sealant $39
Reinzosil Sealing Compound $15
Drei Bond Silikone 1209 $28
Curil T Sealing Compound $19
02-20-2018, 10:05 PM
#25
Instructor
Thread Starter
If I go with this new water pump rather then the rebuilt pump, do I still need the block off plate?
http://www.allzim.com/store/new-wate...-944-944s.html
http://www.allzim.com/store/new-wate...-944-944s.html
02-21-2018, 02:33 PM
#27
Racer
I have read many online arguments (not on Porsche forums) about anti-seize on bolts. People seem violently against it or swear by it -- very polarized opinions. What kind of compound do you recommend to coat the threads with? Have you seen people argue over using anti-seize on fasteners? Just curious.
-Chris
02-21-2018, 02:44 PM
#28
Rainman
Rennlist Member
Rennlist Member
antiseize is goodness in places where seizing can be a problem.
make sure you only get it on the threads and not under the bolt head though.
however do note that having coated "lubricated" threads will reduce the required torque value about 25%.
hard to measure on an M6 waterpump bolt that only gets 6 lbft anyways.
get an inch-lb torque wrench and set it to 75% of 72 in-lbs (6 ftlbs) = 54 in-lbs (4.5 lb-ft), or "about snug with a hand on a ratchet"
make sure you only get it on the threads and not under the bolt head though.
however do note that having coated "lubricated" threads will reduce the required torque value about 25%.
hard to measure on an M6 waterpump bolt that only gets 6 lbft anyways.
get an inch-lb torque wrench and set it to 75% of 72 in-lbs (6 ftlbs) = 54 in-lbs (4.5 lb-ft), or "about snug with a hand on a ratchet"
02-21-2018, 04:52 PM
#29
Anything to keep the studs from rusting into the block. A thin coat of Permatex 59214 on the studs going into the block then wipe off the excess.
edit. permatex 59214 will work fine. specifically where the 4 water pump studs thread into the block, not on the fasteners. broken studs will ruin your day.
edit. permatex 59214 will work fine. specifically where the 4 water pump studs thread into the block, not on the fasteners. broken studs will ruin your day.
Last edited by thomasmryan; 02-21-2018 at 05:37 PM.
02-21-2018, 06:52 PM
#30
Nordschleife Master
Hi Thomas,
I have read many online arguments (not on Porsche forums) about anti-seize on bolts. People seem violently against it or swear by it -- very polarized opinions. What kind of compound do you recommend to coat the threads with? Have you seen people argue over using anti-seize on fasteners? Just curious.
-Chris
I have read many online arguments (not on Porsche forums) about anti-seize on bolts. People seem violently against it or swear by it -- very polarized opinions. What kind of compound do you recommend to coat the threads with? Have you seen people argue over using anti-seize on fasteners? Just curious.
-Chris
Over in the 928 forum, they swear by anti-seize.
There are different compounds for the different metals. Steel bolts into aluminum get silver, steel into steel gets copper.
As was noted, torque needs to be reduced because of the lubricity of it, but that's not a big deal.
Once you've had to drill out a seized bolt, drill out the hole and put in a Time-Sert, you will become a convert.