LS1 conversion questions
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odurandina, I believe that I do have factual basis. Swapping a lsx into anything is difficult. Into a 944 is next to impossible to do it correctly. Your 968 looks like it rolled out of Neckersulm with that engine. But at the cost of two Ferrari's. Ls Swaps have been done for far less. But than you end up with a lower quality swap with poor fitment. See where I'm going.
The op mention this is his first car. With that said let me ask you this, do you think this kind of swap would be right for this individual?
To the op I don't mean any malicious. I'm just trying to save you a lot of grief.
The op mention this is his first car. With that said let me ask you this, do you think this kind of swap would be right for this individual?
To the op I don't mean any malicious. I'm just trying to save you a lot of grief.
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odurandina, I believe that I do have factual basis. Swapping a lsx into anything is difficult. Into a 944 is next to impossible to do it correctly. Your 968 looks like it rolled out of Neckersulm with that engine. But at the cost of two Ferrari's. Ls Swaps have been done for far less. But than you end up with a lower quality swap with poor fitment. See where I'm going.
The op mention this is his first car. With that said let me ask you this, do you think this kind of swap would be right for this individual?
To the op I don't mean any malicious. I'm just trying to save you a lot of grief.
The op mention this is his first car. With that said let me ask you this, do you think this kind of swap would be right for this individual?
To the op I don't mean any malicious. I'm just trying to save you a lot of grief.
#21
A (habitually) wrong, passive aggressive (snotty) opinion founded upon almost no factual basis..... attaining a properly sorted swapped v8 isn't easy.... but, if you want a point and shoot/ black box/ mercenary powerplant, then take the car end to end across the continent, and do it better, faster, stronger, and more reliably than the pre-existing engine... project more bass, more attitude and stomp on just about everything else on the road. It isn't a question of drivability or performance, but of cost and inconvenience. It is a personal choice oriented about the question of how many cylinders and how much performance you desire vs your willingness to withstand the cost and aggravation to get it. Irrespective of whether a 944 or 968 is worthy of this level of trouble to improve it -- there is not one technical issue with LS swaps that hasn't been solved.
Dissenting opinion along the lines of diminished drivability, reliability, a ruined vehicle, or a harsh/poor driving experience is '944 propaganda' on display..... a 30 year old powerplant (now) making significantly less hp than when it left the Porsche factory 34 years ago that costs a lot of money to keep up, isn't ruining much....
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5Hwt9gTVSYs#
If you're dedicated to the long march to converting a 944 or 968 to the next level, rather than fantasizing about spending more & more money building a perfect engine -- INSTEAD, consider an attitude adjustment, or a production supercar already sorted. The recent C7 Corvette is certainly a bargain.
It might seem contradictory, especially if referencing the opinion i quoted above... But what you really need is a "really great LS for pennies" recipe, or relatively inexpensive, LS 1, 2, 3 pulled from a wrecked car, (or a crate) and stick to a plan. Prepare to focus far greater effort (comparively) on the quality of the engine swap (itself). Be prepared to spend $15, 18, 20, 25 k making your v8 swapped car a daily drivable v8 swapped car. Set the bar high, including swapping the top gear/s of whichever transmission chosen..... Be realistic about what you need to put in, and what you expect to get out. That way, you'll end up with something you'll want to keep around and drive a long time.
Personally, i wouldn't attempt such an effort on a 944. i would choose a 968. I just think it's a bit farther along on the 924/944/ 968 evolution. Then, i would be preparing to make further improvements to said car.
Dissenting opinion along the lines of diminished drivability, reliability, a ruined vehicle, or a harsh/poor driving experience is '944 propaganda' on display..... a 30 year old powerplant (now) making significantly less hp than when it left the Porsche factory 34 years ago that costs a lot of money to keep up, isn't ruining much....
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5Hwt9gTVSYs#
If you're dedicated to the long march to converting a 944 or 968 to the next level, rather than fantasizing about spending more & more money building a perfect engine -- INSTEAD, consider an attitude adjustment, or a production supercar already sorted. The recent C7 Corvette is certainly a bargain.
It might seem contradictory, especially if referencing the opinion i quoted above... But what you really need is a "really great LS for pennies" recipe, or relatively inexpensive, LS 1, 2, 3 pulled from a wrecked car, (or a crate) and stick to a plan. Prepare to focus far greater effort (comparively) on the quality of the engine swap (itself). Be prepared to spend $15, 18, 20, 25 k making your v8 swapped car a daily drivable v8 swapped car. Set the bar high, including swapping the top gear/s of whichever transmission chosen..... Be realistic about what you need to put in, and what you expect to get out. That way, you'll end up with something you'll want to keep around and drive a long time.
Personally, i wouldn't attempt such an effort on a 944. i would choose a 968. I just think it's a bit farther along on the 924/944/ 968 evolution. Then, i would be preparing to make further improvements to said car.
Sonething simple like the brakes, from pics looks like you cant really easily keep the stock booster, so no booster or hydroboost, and that can be quite a complication right there. Then take into account as mentioned the transmission. Stock LS is at least 300+ HP, if you go with an LS3 thats 400+ adn will the stock trans be able to survive that? Thats a super pricey endeavor right there, so 15, 20, 25k may be more realistic.
Either way I still support the LS swap....but have a reasonable expectation of the complication youll have and $$ youll spend before you even start. Then double the cost and effort needed
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Currently considering this project. A 924S popped up in my area and I found a smoking deal on an LR4 4.8. While some may ask why not the 5.3L LM7, I answer because of the price and the 924S chassis just doesn't have the ability to fit a fatter tire on the back for 'control'.
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FWIW, I think Porsche anticipated this, which is why they developed the 928. I assure you, a 928 will offer you lots of opportunities to work on it...
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Currently considering this project. A 924S popped up in my area and I found a smoking deal on an LR4 4.8. While some may ask why not the 5.3L LM7, I answer because of the price and the 924S chassis just doesn't have the ability to fit a fatter tire on the back for 'control'.
that's the one sticking point for CA swaps, everything else is OK and manageable.
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I found a $40 LS6 cam too. Checking part numbers to see if this is the later cam (which is the more aggressive one).
As for PCM, I am going FITech and their standalone system. It's a track car, not a CARB compliant hunk of bolts.
Last edited by Mongo; 01-31-2018 at 03:03 PM. Reason: Thanks V2. Late model cam not early.
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Ack, you're right it is the later one. Swappers of the LR4 are even turbocharging to get TONS more power. The heads flow very well on that motor. Turbo is not something I want to do with a short wheel base 924S though.