POLL: Ultimate 924
02-26-2002, 11:14 PM
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POLL: Ultimate 924
Of the following two models of 924 road cars, which would you consider the ultimate evolution of the original 1970's 924? Why?
1. 1980 924 Carrera GT
2. 1988 924S
I'll start with my vote: #2 1988 924S. Being a 924S owner, of course I would be a tad biased but hear me out. The Carrera GT, as fast and nasty as it was, was still powered by what was essentially an Audi engine, and rode on the same VW-based chassis. The 924S, on the other hand, was a much improved vehicle. Inheriting the suspension from the 944 was a good start but adopting the fantastic 2.5 engine from that series pushed a competant car into becoming a competant Porsche.
Please, let's hear your opinions!
1. 1980 924 Carrera GT
2. 1988 924S
I'll start with my vote: #2 1988 924S. Being a 924S owner, of course I would be a tad biased but hear me out. The Carrera GT, as fast and nasty as it was, was still powered by what was essentially an Audi engine, and rode on the same VW-based chassis. The 924S, on the other hand, was a much improved vehicle. Inheriting the suspension from the 944 was a good start but adopting the fantastic 2.5 engine from that series pushed a competant car into becoming a competant Porsche.
Please, let's hear your opinions!
02-28-2002, 01:41 PM
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I don't know a thing about the 1980 924 Carrera GT, but I have put nearly 150,000 miles on my 924-S and have found it to be a reliable vehicle that is fun to drive.
For a vehicle with 212,000 miles on it, it looks great with the original paint. The drivers seat just went with the first seam separation. Overall, I like it.
For a vehicle with 212,000 miles on it, it looks great with the original paint. The drivers seat just went with the first seam separation. Overall, I like it.
03-03-2002, 05:34 PM
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Actually both vehicles share the same chassis...
I vote for #1. The GT is and was an awesome car. It's probably five times the car compared to the 924S. But the 924S is still a pleasant daily driver and the 944 roots are cool too.
The suspension on the 924 S was improved, yes. And the GT would be improved with a '44 suspension.
They still race the GT cars (despite their humble roots) in New Zealand, UK, Aus, etc. But the 924 S is not a winner on the track. Here is the price of each:
- The 924 GT still goes for around $50K USD.
- You can pick up a loaded 924 S for maybe $5K USD.
In a LeMans style race? Take the GT. Investment value? Take the GT.
I wouldn't place too much stock in the Audi, VW heritage angle... <img src="graemlins/nono.gif" border="0" alt="[nono]" /> remember, it was Porsche who made the Beetle, and the 924 that literally saved the company during the energy crisis. Even now Audi is wiping it's butt against Porsche independents. Audi, formerly Auto Union, is no slacker on the track.
I have two of these cars (924, 931) and have been reading a lot on forced air induction techniques of late, and believe me, if you're going to turbocharge an engine, you're best with an engine like the Audi inside the 924 Turbo. That truck engine is precisely the right engine for turbocharging. Strong. But the 924 alone is gutless without spending an arm and a leg to make it go.
As for "pushed a competant car into becoming a competant Porsche" (sic) keep in mind that both cars were Porsche. The head, especially on the turbos, was designed by Porsche. The pistons, Mahle 8.5:1 compression, were chosen especially by Porsche and have a Porsche part number 931 103054. That car is every ounce 'Porsche', and part number for part number, there might even be more Porsche parts on the 931 and 937 than on early 911's!
...just as DeTomaso places their marque on a Mangusta chassis holding a Ford engine;
...just as Rover places it's marque on a chassis holding an Olds engine;
...just as Chrysler places it's marque on a chassis holding a Mits engine;
...just as Ferrari places it's marque on a Dino chassis holding a Fiat-made Ferrari designed engine;
All these cars were competent cars for their respective marques.
PS: I would still own EITHER car... <img src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" border="0" alt="[cheers]" /> ...um...but ex911ence,...um...you misspelled 'competent'... <img src="graemlins/c.gif" border="0" alt="[ouch]" />
I vote for #1. The GT is and was an awesome car. It's probably five times the car compared to the 924S. But the 924S is still a pleasant daily driver and the 944 roots are cool too.
The suspension on the 924 S was improved, yes. And the GT would be improved with a '44 suspension.
They still race the GT cars (despite their humble roots) in New Zealand, UK, Aus, etc. But the 924 S is not a winner on the track. Here is the price of each:
- The 924 GT still goes for around $50K USD.
- You can pick up a loaded 924 S for maybe $5K USD.
In a LeMans style race? Take the GT. Investment value? Take the GT.
I wouldn't place too much stock in the Audi, VW heritage angle... <img src="graemlins/nono.gif" border="0" alt="[nono]" /> remember, it was Porsche who made the Beetle, and the 924 that literally saved the company during the energy crisis. Even now Audi is wiping it's butt against Porsche independents. Audi, formerly Auto Union, is no slacker on the track.
I have two of these cars (924, 931) and have been reading a lot on forced air induction techniques of late, and believe me, if you're going to turbocharge an engine, you're best with an engine like the Audi inside the 924 Turbo. That truck engine is precisely the right engine for turbocharging. Strong. But the 924 alone is gutless without spending an arm and a leg to make it go.
As for "pushed a competant car into becoming a competant Porsche" (sic) keep in mind that both cars were Porsche. The head, especially on the turbos, was designed by Porsche. The pistons, Mahle 8.5:1 compression, were chosen especially by Porsche and have a Porsche part number 931 103054. That car is every ounce 'Porsche', and part number for part number, there might even be more Porsche parts on the 931 and 937 than on early 911's!
...just as DeTomaso places their marque on a Mangusta chassis holding a Ford engine;
...just as Rover places it's marque on a chassis holding an Olds engine;
...just as Chrysler places it's marque on a chassis holding a Mits engine;
...just as Ferrari places it's marque on a Dino chassis holding a Fiat-made Ferrari designed engine;
All these cars were competent cars for their respective marques.
PS: I would still own EITHER car... <img src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" border="0" alt="[cheers]" /> ...um...but ex911ence,...um...you misspelled 'competent'... <img src="graemlins/c.gif" border="0" alt="[ouch]" />
03-04-2002, 05:08 PM
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I think I would lean toward 1 from the standpoint that it is truly based on the original 924. The 924S is a de-evolution of the 944 in my opinion, though it does make a nice sleeper.
The 924 GT Carrera makes what, like 50bhp more than the 924S right? Heck even the normally aspirated 924 D-production race cars made like 20 more horses from the 2.0L than a stock 1988 924S makes from its 2.5L.
The 924 GT Carrera makes what, like 50bhp more than the 924S right? Heck even the normally aspirated 924 D-production race cars made like 20 more horses from the 2.0L than a stock 1988 924S makes from its 2.5L.
03-05-2002, 11:39 PM
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The 924S was designed to be a racing car. If you put a Carrera body kit you would get a 944 type mod. I think that setting up a 924S to a 924 Carrera body kit would be the best of both worlds.
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03-06-2002, 05:37 AM
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"The 924S is a de-evolution of the 944 in my opinion"
That's not really true... because, the 924S (or a similar car) was what Porsche had originally planned for the new 944 series in 80-81. As it happened, a newer design team opted for a slightly toned-down version of the 924GT body for the then new 944.
Therefore, the 924S is pretty much exactly what the original designers and engineers had intended for the (then new) 2.5 liter engine. This is one of the main reasons why the 924S is such a well balanced all-round Porsche... as well as being faster than the (regular) 944. The bottom line was that the wider fenders, increased weight and economy 5th gear, slowed the 944 down. The larger fenders/wider tires combo were necessary for a LeMans cars like the 924GT and 924GTS. But these cars were very light and in the case of the GTS, had almost 400hp. They were only for looks on a 150hp production car.
[The above info is not speculation, but from Michael Cotton's 924/944 book... there was a big battle between the older design schools and the newer at the time. In retrospect, opting for the 944 body style was almost certainly a wise marketing move
-MAS]
That's not really true... because, the 924S (or a similar car) was what Porsche had originally planned for the new 944 series in 80-81. As it happened, a newer design team opted for a slightly toned-down version of the 924GT body for the then new 944.
Therefore, the 924S is pretty much exactly what the original designers and engineers had intended for the (then new) 2.5 liter engine. This is one of the main reasons why the 924S is such a well balanced all-round Porsche... as well as being faster than the (regular) 944. The bottom line was that the wider fenders, increased weight and economy 5th gear, slowed the 944 down. The larger fenders/wider tires combo were necessary for a LeMans cars like the 924GT and 924GTS. But these cars were very light and in the case of the GTS, had almost 400hp. They were only for looks on a 150hp production car.
[The above info is not speculation, but from Michael Cotton's 924/944 book... there was a big battle between the older design schools and the newer at the time. In retrospect, opting for the 944 body style was almost certainly a wise marketing move
-MAS]
03-06-2002, 05:51 AM
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The 931 engine may have been based on an Audi block, but thats where the similarities end. The engine is Porsche through and through. It's incompetent, BTW .
So where in BC is sydney? I live on Vancouver Island, outside of Courtenay.
Also, BTW, the GT is easily twice the sports car the S is. I'd take the S as the daily driver though, and as a base to modify on.
. So where in BC is sydney? I live on Vancouver Island, outside of Courtenay.
Also, BTW, the GT is easily twice the sports car the S is. I'd take the S as the daily driver though, and as a base to modify on.
03-06-2002, 12:31 PM
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Hey don't get me wrong, I really like my "S". However, the fact remains that in the public eye the 944 was more upscale than the 924. In addition to that, the 924S de-evolved from the 944 as a way to recapture a lower price-point (though not very well) that was left void by the departure of the 2.0L 924.
03-06-2002, 05:19 PM
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" ...that was left void by the departure of the 2.0L 924"
Well, the departure of the 2 liter 924 in North America. Interestingly, Porsche still made the 2 liter 924 for the rest of the world, right up until the "924S".
As for the general public... I agree, you're 100% right. This is the main reason that 924S's have been such good buys. The fact is, however that now the 924S is a *rarer* car than the 944, regardless of the resale values.
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Well, the departure of the 2 liter 924 in North America. Interestingly, Porsche still made the 2 liter 924 for the rest of the world, right up until the "924S".
As for the general public... I agree, you're 100% right. This is the main reason that 924S's have been such good buys. The fact is, however that now the 924S is a *rarer* car than the 944, regardless of the resale values.
-MAS
03-06-2002, 11:52 PM
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I believe that "Sydney" is on the east coast in Nova Scotia... I'm on the other coast by the way.
As for rarity, I can attest from the thousands of 944's that are running around the island here, that the 924S is much more exclusive. I have seen only 2 others, besides my own. And that doesn't include your car MAS. We'll have to rectify this situation sometime!
As for rarity, I can attest from the thousands of 944's that are running around the island here, that the 924S is much more exclusive. I have seen only 2 others, besides my own. And that doesn't include your car MAS. We'll have to rectify this situation sometime!
