idart930

Bud, here’s mine:

1979
- 1993 PCNA COA – “1979 Porsche 930”

1975
- 2013 PCNA COA – “1975 911 Turbo Coupe”
- 2014 Porsche Geburtsurkunde (Netherlands) – “Porsche 911 Turbo 3.0”

UDPride

Look at either your hood option code sticker or window sticker. Under model it will say "930" and under model number it will say "930XXX" where XXX is the 3-digit suffix that delineates coupes from cabs from targas. In the case of coupes its 930780.

The name of the car is 911 Turbo (or if applicable, Turbo Carrera). The model is 930. The model is the more specific of the two because a 2008 911 Turbo and 1988 911 Turbo have next to nothing in common. But a 1979 930 and a 1989 930 are nearly the same car.

Jherriott

Everyone is wrong here...

Back in the eighties I worked as a car jockey at a Porsche dealer. When to owner asked me to get "The Turbo" upstairs... I knew which one to get hehe

cityguy

Yes they are except for the change in name that Porsche decided for whatever reason in 1986, a change to 911 Turbo.

Automan the OP, essentially asked if he has a 930 or 911 Turbo. He has a 911 Turbo. The original owners bought a 911 Turbo. He bought a 911 Turbo. He loved my 1984 930 and he bought his 1989 911 Turbo because of it. That doesn't make his 1989 an older model 930.

Sloan cars has a (wink) 1989 911 Turbo on consignment and he is the expert on these cars as far I know.

Though crowd here doesn't want give up on the mysterious and potent sounding 930 moniker - for 911 Turbos built after 1986.

Again, they are 911 Turbos after 1986.

mel_t_vin

He has a 1989 911 Turbo, Typ 930.


They've been 911 turbos since 1975, when the factory began production of 911 turbos, for the street, to homologate the 934 for Group 4 and the 935 for Group 5.

As you were.

idart930

Porsche homologated the 934 and 935 with the "930" and not the "911 Turbo". I have not found a single magazine article, factory manual/document, or other period reference that referred to the 1975 cars as "911 Turbos". The factory term was either "930", "930 Turbo" or "Turbo". I've posted a few references from 1975. I'm from Missouri so please "Show Me" a reference from 1975 that states they were "911 Turbos".

cityguy

Lovely. You have cleared up what a 1975 is. Thanks.

BUT we are talking about and answering the original poster's (automan9) questioning of what his 1989 Porsche is. Is it a 930 or a 911 Turbo? Clearly all Porsche 911 cars with a turbocharger be it Euro trim or USA trim from the 1986 models on are called --->911 Turbo.

cityguy

Yes he does and yes they were.

BUT his question was; essentially, did he buy, own, and otherwise drive a 930 or a 911 Turbo. He did not ask what type it may be. No where does his title, bill of sale or other ancillary paperwork make reference to 'type'.

His car is a 911 Turbo. Clearly. Dictated by what Porsche called and marketed 911 cars with Turbochargers since 1986 --> 911 Turbo.

idart930

I've posted this before but here’s your answer from a reference perspective.

They are all “Type 930s”, from 1975 to 1989. Porsche sales department naming convention has changed depending upon country, year, etc…

1975-1977, Europe – 930, 930 Turbo but usually just "Turbo"
1976-1977, U.S. - Turbo Carrera
1978-1979, Europe – 911 Turbo
1978-1979, U.S. – 930
1980 – 1989, all markets – 911 Turbo (exception, slant nose was advertised as a 930S in U.S. brochures)

Let's inform the discussion with references/pics in your post...

Still waiting for it...waiting for it...waiting for it.

cityguy

Here is one reference that a 1989 is a 911 Turbo -->your last post.

1980-1989, all markets – 911 Turbo

Here is another from an earlier post you musta missed. Read page 17-->
http://books.google.com/books?id=rOK...page&q&f=false

Here is also another reference that a 1989 is a 911 Turbo not a 930-->
Sloan now has automan9's 1989 for sale and he advertises it as a 911 Turbo just as he did 10 years ago when automan9 bought it.

http://sloancars.com/4903/1989-911-t...k-50000-miles/


The OP wanted to know if his car is a 911Turbo or a 930. Kindly read your own words and my references. All 1989 911 cars that are turbocharged are 911 Turbos and not 930 cars. There were no 930 cars sold, titled or advertised by Porsche in 1989. In your words--> 1980-1989, all markets – 911 Turbo

To answer the OP his car a 1989, is a 911 Turbo

UDPride

the name of what? certainly not the model name. Even 1989s are model 930 per Porsche. Look at your window sticker. Same with the model number: 930xxx

cityguy

The car. The car. Not the model.

It was advertised by Porsche in sales brochures and sold with a Statement of Origin to be titled as a 911 Turbo Every piece of ownership paperwork states 911 Turbo


The OP want to know what he has a 930 or a 911 Turbo. Porsche named built and advertised a 1989 911 Turbo. The original owner bought a 1989 911 Turbo. Sloan sold it as a 1989 911 Turbo. He has it now on his site as 1989 911 Turbo. All pertinent documents say 911 Turbo for this 1989.

You are arguing the model number is the name of the car. It is not.

It is a 1989 911 Turbo

cover

Yep true, 930 is the internal factory model code of the 75-89 911 turbo.
965 is the model code of the subsequent generation 911 turbo.
.......and so on.

They were all advertized by Porsche and sold as 911 turbos.

For some reason many US car magazines and customers named these cars by their model codes right from the start.

Today, most enthusiasts use model codes when talking 911 turbos.
This way there is no doubt about which generation of 911 turbo they are talking about.

BTW, the designation "930 turbo" is a misnomer created somewhere along the way.

cityguy

Finally. Thank you.

idart930

Excellent summary with a clarification on two of your points…

I have yet to see any advertisment, documentation, etc. that shows that Porsche referred to the 1975 to 1977 930’s as “911 Turbos” ('76-77 Turbo Carrera in U.S.). It was not necessary for Porsche to add the “911” to the “Turbo” since when it was introduced, it was the only production Turbo on the planet. When the 924 Turbo was introduced, Porsche added the "911" to "Turbo" for RoW 930's to not confuse the models. If you have some early '75-77 period references that use "911 Turbo", please post them.

“930 Turbo” is not a misnomer as there are numerous early factory workshop manuals and other Porsche documents that use the “930 Turbo” designation (see images below).

When the 1975 Turbo was introduced, it was advertised as the "Porsche Turbo" (see '75 brochure below) and this term, "Porsche Turbo" continued for RoW 930's through 1977.