Porsche 930

Please do not keep us in suspense.
The '84 RoW vs US weights are.......?

fullquack

Sighhhhh...time to eat some crow.

I should know better than to try being a smart**s, while sitting at work remembering data off the top of my head. Seems that my old brain was remembering the turbo vs. the turbo "look" models, not the Euro vs. US models. That being said the '84 Turbo is listed at 2866lbs. vs. the '84 Turbo "look" listed at 2712lbs.

I'll go and quietly sit in the corner now.

Mark

idart930

You have a good point about RoW and U.S. 930 weights as the U.S. cars should be heavier, at least for the ’76-79 930’s since they have thermal reactors and smog equipment (mystery why Porsche spec manuals list the same weight for RoW and U.S.). I'm not sure about the weight differences between RoW and U.S. doors as I've only read about hack job Euro conversions where side impact bars were added to meet U.S. DOT. The 930 became a world car in 1986, and although it was still built separately for RoW or U.S. markets, all of them had a catalyst exhaust so the major differences were H-4’s, taillights, etc. A significant weight difference between RoW and U.S. 930’s would be RoW 930’s without air conditioning (’76-’79) where the weight would be decreased by 35 kg (77 lbs) from the German DIN 70 020 standard. On rare occasion, Porsche used “Dry Weight” that did not include fuel (e.g., 1975 930 dry weight – 2397 lbs, vs. DIN 70 020 – 2514 lbs) but they usually listed German DIN Standard 70 020 for their spec manuals and brochures that included:

- Weight of the body with interior trim and the fuel tank
- Engine and gearbox weight will all necessary accessories, such as starter motor, generator and exhaust system, etc.
- Weight of the chassis
- Optional equipment such as air-conditioning system, sun roof, etc.
- Charged battery
- Lubricant, coolant and brake fluid
- Standard tool set
- Fuel tank at least 90% full
- Jack and spare wheel

Here’s the DIN 70 020 weights for 930’s (coupes)*
1975………….1140kg (2514 lbs)
1976-1977…1195kg (2634 lbs)
1978-1985…1300kg (2866 lbs)
1986-1988…1335kg (2943 lbs)
1989………….1350kg (2976 lbs)
*Porsche Technical Specification Manuals/Brochures – DIN curb weight

There should be significant weight saving between RoW and U.S. ’76-79 930’s if you were able to find a Euro car without A/C (77 lbs) and sunroof. All 930’s had A/C beginning in 1986 so there should not be much weight difference between ’86-89 Row and U.S. 930’s. I’m not sure how much weight savings there would be for a non-optioned sunroof car (more likely with RoW) but it may be a 10-20 lbs weight saving.

Ghosteh

Last year I stopped by a local exotic car dealer in Chicago and mentioned that I was looking at possibly trading my '85 ROW for a newer Turbo. We talked a bit, but I changed my mind when the dealer (who was trying to broker the car with another dealer in some sort of 3-way trade) wanted me to ship my car to the West coast before I would be able to see his car in person. When I refused, the guy in California wanted to buy mine outright. I refused that too (I didn't like the guy's tactics at that point). Then the local Chicago dealer wanted to buy it, etc.

For the next 6 months, I was getting calls from 3-4 dealers I didn't even know, who wanted to purchase my car for buyers overseas. One who called was from an exotic dealership in France, who was really trying hard to make a deal. It was interesting, because the price I had in my mind was eventually met & exceeded in the offers, but by then, I just had a bitter taste in my mouth for dealing with these snake-oil salesmen and decided to keep the car.

So from personal experience, I'd say that the "grey-market price curse" doesn't really exist anymore. A clean, documented Euro car seems to be very desirable overseas, and there just aren't that many available.

tonypeoni

I agree with everything your saying except one thing. There is a gray market and they pay more for gray market cars. We are at a point where a gray market 930 is worth more than a U.S. spec 930. They have to be brokered overseas but still it pays to sell your car back to the gray market.

pdqcarrera

IIRC without A/C, sunroof, electric windows, passenger mirror, US smog stuff and with the smaller rear bumperettes = 118 lbs lighter. If I find my records to say anything differently I'll post correction.

Mistergee

My Vin says 1050kg
which in Grey Market US talk thats about 2314.854 pounds

All US cars are Grey Market when your on the other side of the world LOL

Here in Australia
US, Japanese and UK cars are all grey here, we only pay good money for EURO ROW cars

US cars sell cheap here cos lower hp and often rust problems, theres especially bad rap for cars from California, theyre up to 40% cheaper so theres some good buys for people who cant afford a row.

UK also sell cheap here cos of rust problems

MUSSBERGER

If people want to buy gray market cars with their fairy tale speedos more power to them.

idart930

The RoW trunk plates shows the premitted max load and premitted max axle load weights (front and rear) and not the DIN 070 020 weight. The Porsche specification books indicate the U.S. and RoW weigh the same but I'm sure there are some differences due to lack of door braces, lighter exhaust without thermals, etc. on RoW models.

Ghosteh

Fairy tale odometers are an issue in ALL older Porsches. With a grey-market car, you just have a heads-up because you KNOW the speedo has been changed at some point.

Anyone who buys a low mileage car without properly & thoroughly evaluating the condition and judging it against the reported mileage and paper-trail, is a fool, regardless of it being a U.S. or ROW car. Just because you're buying a U.S. car, doesn't mean you're immune to a little fraud.