Mr. RotorHead

Hi all! I was looking at an earlier thread about values of the 930. Is there a reason why the European years aren't listed? Are they of lesser value or reliability?

Someday I may ditch the 996 for a 930 or 965. If any of you had to do it again, would you buy a 965 instead? If so, why?

Thanks for your time!

Rotor sends..

bill930p

Grey market cars are just as reliable if the conversion was done right. Mine was done at Ruf. No problems (except for a small AC bug I'm working on right now). I also have a U.S. 930. I think you just have to go with the cleanest one you can find.

The grey market cars do sell for less, so keep that in mind when pricing.

powerlift330

I have owned both and qualitywise there is no difference. Horsepower though, the euro's come stock at 300 vs 285 if i'm not mistaken and many euro's come with front fender side marker/signals, which is a nice aesthetic and safety feature.
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1985ruf

I have 2 euro 930s and I feel they are just as good as the us spec version. many people speculate how they are the inferior spec but that's just a bunch of BS! More HP, safety side markers, and the better looking bumper cateyes make this 930 even nicer to look at. I myself spent time looking for EURO specs only...I actually didnt want a us spec. Go for a euro spec you cant go wrong! Best of luck!

Matt O.

Sort of a broad stroke. A clean, low mileage Euro spec with all import documentation and all books/records would fetch as much as a US spec of the same caliber. As someone mentioned, possibly more due to the increased power and astetics.

In general though, most grey market cars out there probably don't come with all DOT documents/books/records. So that's probably reflected in the pricing and it can vary to such an extent that Excellence wants nothing to do with them, just on the basis of time required.

blown daytona

As bill930p said Get the nicest one you can find. If it has the EPA & DOT releases, and a reputable shop did the conversion, you shouldnt have any problem. Like any other used car purchase, get a PPI done by someone in the know.

powerlift330

It's imperative that you have the DOT paperwork of the import because it shows the mileage before it was shipped over and converted to MPH. If you have those documents and like previously mentioned, are assured that the conversion was done properly than you are holding onto a car worth as much if not more than the US Spec version (More HP, Nicer astetics, safety features, etc.)

srf506

I've gat a Euro 930 and a friend has a Euro 3.2 Carrera. They are just as reliable as the U.S. variant and I like the better OEM exhaust and fuel systems. Other than that and the EPA stuff they're about 90% commonality with the U.S. spec variants.

JBL930

Why would anybody assume that the Germans would build a better car for the US than they would for themselves? That's just silly!

powerlift330

I think what most people are concerned about is the conversion, not so much the quality of a Porsche made for the Germans. During the conversion they change things such as brake lights, bulbs, bumper guards, etc. The most significant part changed is the exhaust specs adding on the cat converter to U.S. specs if my documents hold true. I am in the process of switching over a conversion exhaust to a nice GHL dual system with no cat. I am pretty certain that this stock engine and car will outperform and outlast any U.S. spec 930 with the same mod in performance, appearance and quality. They in fact made their cars BETTER than the U.S. spec version, as previously mentioned with a better fuel delivery system, horsepower, front fender side markers, etc.

srf506

Gee, that's funny. Mine has none of those things on it and its a 1985 930. I even have the red fog lamp under the rear bumber and amber rear turn signals. I'm sure it must of been modified to import it, but someone did a most excellent job of reversing it.

The only other issue I've ever heard about on a "gray market" car is that some insurance companies can't find a WP0ZZZXXXXXXXXX VIN in their database. Makes getting insurance a hassle if yours is one of those.

slownrusty

I have a US Spec '89 930 and would buy a Euro 930 in a heartbeat. Porsche take pride when they screw their cars together, regardless if the cars are heading for Kenya or Beverly Hills.

The key is maintenance and records as everyone here has eluded to. It is easy to determine if a car has been neglected just by a quick visual and trip down the road.

I love the 965, tough call if I would buy one over a 930...something to ponder. Drive each one, and you will know which one leaves a larger smile, because these cars, thats all they do is leave you smiling!

Yasin

Matt O.

My 82 930 Euro does not, nor has ever had a cat. I guess that's why they called it "grey market".

nathanUK '81 930 G50

I think you had to have bars in the doors too?