G-series (G50) or 993 ownership
02-26-2019, 08:58 PM
#31
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The main reason we say G50 is to distinguish between the 911s with a 915 and those with the G50. It's just easier than saying 87-89 Carrera. The later cars are easily identified by their internal numbers 964, 993, etc. But everything that came before '89 was a 911 and came with 901, 911 and G50 transmissions. It's become so common to refer to 87-89 as "G50" that at this point pretty much everyone knows what it means and the convention has been adopted.
Dave you beat me to explaining my understanding of it. I think of it like you do...... I say G50 out of habit and most in my circle understand what I am saying but raspritz is right.
Hopefully he will accept our slang.
02-27-2019, 08:29 PM
#33
While on this topic, can owners shed some light in general engine reliability between a 993 and 3.2? I’ve read that the 3.2 is generally more bullet proof and user friendly while the 993 is a bit more complex and tends to have more issues.
02-27-2019, 09:06 PM
#34
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I have had really great luck with my 88 3.2. No leaks or smoke. It's been a joy to own. However there are others who would say the opposite. I am sure there are great and ugly stories on the 993 motors as well. I bet there are positive and negative stories on Ford/Chevy and Mopar engines. I think there is a correlation between a motor and it's history of how it has been treated and maintained.
02-28-2019, 11:31 AM
#35
Burning Brakes
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I say G50 out of habit and most in my circle understand what I am saying but raspritz is right.
Hopefully he will accept our slang.
I say G50 out of habit and most in my circle understand what I am saying but raspritz is right.
Hopefully he will accept our slang.
02-28-2019, 12:16 PM
#36
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LOL. Of course I will. But when newbies come on saying they want to buy a "G50", my first thought is, "Wouldn't it make more sense to buy an entire car?" And, in fact, for a newbie, the entire car is what they should be thinking about, not the transmission. By the way, to the OP, your header for this thread, "G-series (G50) or 993 ownership", makes no sense. The Porsche G-series 911s ran from 1974-75, whereas the G50 transmission was introduced in 1987. Hence, the problem with using jargon you've picked up on a website.
A "G body" search brings us to https://www.porsche.com/usa/accessor.../models/911-g/
Another...
https://myautoworld.com/porsche/cars...ory-911-g.html
"Porsche 911 : G series (1973-1989)
The next generation - Ten years after the car made its premiere, the Porsche engineers gave the 911 a comprehensive makeover. Known as the 'G-model', the new generation 911 was built from 1973 to 1989 – a longer period than any other. A particular feature of this evergreen was the striking bellows-style bumpers – an innovation created in order to comply with the latest US crash test requirements. Three-point safety belts fitted as standard and seats with integrated headrests also provided increased occupant safety. A further milestone in the car's history came in 1974, when Porsche brought out the first 911 Turbo with a three-litre engine, 260 hp and a striking rear spoiler. With its unique combination of luxury and performance the 'Turbo' became a synonym for the Porsche brand. In 1977 came the next performance level: the 911 Turbo 3.3 was given a charge air cooler and at 300 hp was the highest performance car of its class. On the naturally aspirated side the 911 Carrera re placed the SC in 1983 and, having an engine capacity of 3.2 litres and 231 hp, became a muchloved collector's piece. Lovers of fresh air were able to buy this 911 as a convertible from 1982. In launching the 911 Carrera Speedster in 1989, Porsche was building on a legend."
02-28-2019, 06:04 PM
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02-28-2019, 06:10 PM
#38
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For $45k max you can get yourself a really nice sorted Cab 993 or 87-89 Carrera (Targa also on the G Series). The coupes are usually a 20% premium at least over the cabs. You definitely have to drive them both since they are very different drives. If you need power steering and decent AC you'll probably side with the 993. Don't get hung up on mileage when looking for these cars also. As I always say condition, condition, condition when to comes to buying an air-cooled 911.
I'm really looking forward to the test drives, but i'm just not sure how easily that can be done.
02-28-2019, 07:00 PM
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I think you nailed it with this summarization. From what I've been seeing on the market the last few weeks especially. Ill find very nice 911 SC's that I seriously consider- 915 box aside. Buying condition really is the ultimate determining factor.
03-01-2019, 12:50 PM
#42
When I first started seriously looking I considered SCs as well but honestly all the threads I saw on Pelican and here asking for help regarding CIS swayed me away. I don't mind the 915 vs G50 gear box when it comes to a 3.2, but I absolutely don't want to deal with CIS.
03-01-2019, 02:02 PM
#43
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03-01-2019, 03:52 PM
#44
CIS can require some troubleshooting if a component fails or is "off" - and most owners don't understand the diagnosis or procedures. Bosch used to make a nice yellow booklet on the theory of operation...
- Porsche used some different permutations and added components over the years.
People that should know have also said that CIS is very sensitive to EtOH fuel mix problems...
CIS is also sluggish and that is a bad-bad for a sports car. It was a state of the art rushed solution ot pollution and economy concerns in the 1970s Saudi led gas crisis. Not a terrible system for the family sedan...
The 3.2L motors have a more modern EFI system and are superior in every way, hence the higher cost. The 3.2L cars tend to be heavier, ending with the luxo-boat bloat of the 1988s. But you can fix that by throwing out all the luxo crap (until you get old or the wife gets old.. and then want all that stuff again...)
Solve your problems with a modern EFI addon to the 3L motor, or really solve it with bigger cans and carbs.
- Porsche used some different permutations and added components over the years.
People that should know have also said that CIS is very sensitive to EtOH fuel mix problems...
CIS is also sluggish and that is a bad-bad for a sports car. It was a state of the art rushed solution ot pollution and economy concerns in the 1970s Saudi led gas crisis. Not a terrible system for the family sedan...
The 3.2L motors have a more modern EFI system and are superior in every way, hence the higher cost. The 3.2L cars tend to be heavier, ending with the luxo-boat bloat of the 1988s. But you can fix that by throwing out all the luxo crap (until you get old or the wife gets old.. and then want all that stuff again...)
Solve your problems with a modern EFI addon to the 3L motor, or really solve it with bigger cans and carbs.
