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Old 12-15-2018, 02:25 PM
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Hi all, I’m from the 997 world. I’ve been thinking about getting into an air cooled 911 and I love the SCs with the 3.0 motor and 915 box. I was just wondering if any of y’all had any knowledge about this car:

https://houston.craigslist.org/ctd/d...771104918.html

My google espionage reveals that particular dealer has very mixed reviews. Thanks!
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jeebus31,

I don't have any first hand experience with this dealership. I did look at their cars during my air-cooled search. I did a lot of research and traveled to look at 5 different cars in various parts of the country. The price of this particular SC is not bad if certain things are in order. I was being particular regarding what I wanted to fix and what I wanted to be mechanically perfect. You can buy more than you can pay to have fixed.

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Looks like a really nice car
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I don't know, that seems like a lot of money for an SC with 100K miles and no indication if there has been any engine work, like replacing the head studs.

I also did a little research on the speedometer, because I thought 1982's had 85 mph speedometers. They were often changed to 160 mph by their owners somewhere along the line, meaning this one has 100K on the current speedometer, and who knows how many miles on the original one. But I think after March 1982 the law was changed and Porsche could use 160 mph speedometers. The VIN on this car is a later one (2,183rd US coupe, vs 2,457 produced according to the Red Book), but still something to confirm if you can.

Also seems odd to me that there are no photos of the engine bay or front trunk. I think for this price, they need to be pristine.

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Originally Posted by Mark Salvetti
I don't know, that seems like a lot of money for an SC with 100K miles and no indication if there has been any engine work, like replacing the head studs.

I also did a little research on the speedometer, because I thought 1982's had 85 mph speedometers. They were often changed to 160 mph by their owners somewhere along the line, meaning this one has 100K on the current speedometer, and who knows how many miles on the original one. But I think after March 1982 the law was changed and Porsche could use 160 mph speedometers. The VIN on this car is a later one (2,183rd US coupe, vs 2,457 produced according to the Red Book), but still something to confirm if you can.

Also seems odd to me that there are no photos of the engine bay or front trunk. I think for this price, they need to be pristine.

Mark
Mark has pointed out several things I completely agree with. This car needs to be well sorted at this price. I have no issue actually paying a bit more for a good example but at asking price there needs to be some serious questions asked and answered. Keep looking around. The best examples may not be in your area. This one is nice and NOT red.......
https://www.palmdesertauto.com/vehic...5-SPEED-COUPE/
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I don't know if they even made a spoiler package for SCs, but looks like an incorrect wing regardless. Not to mention the steering wheel and radio.
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hard to evaluate these cars, yes Guards Red, blah blah blah, 90% are this color, yes an incorrect SW and the radio looks very bad, the blue car is pretty with very high miles, this market is becoming increasingly confusing and volatile like the stock market. Both these cars in the mid 40's? I'm biased as I'm currently a seller of an '87 Carmine red Coupe. I'm not getting over the top interest, my sense is 18-24 months ago it would be sold in 2 weeks?!
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Thanks for the good discussion and advice. I do like the guards red... I know it's overplayed but I'd like to own one GR 911 in my lifetime

I took a look at a wine red metallic with 51k miles (although in reality TMU) 81 SC that had a recent top end rebuild by a reputable shop and rebuilt trans as well. It needed cosmetic work and a new windshield but mechanically it was set up right. The owner wanted 41k... seemed high to me. From what I can tell, a good driver in the mid 30s is about right. SCs in the 40s would need to be in excellent condition, with mid to high 50s+ being concourse examples. It will be interesting to see what the coming Spring brings in terms of vintage 911 pricing.
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Originally Posted by jeebus31
I do like the guards red... I know it's overplayed but I'd like to own one GR 911 in my lifetime
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I personally think if red is your ideal then you are in the best possible situation. There are so many you should be able to look at a few other examples.

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Originally Posted by grgallo
hard to evaluate these cars, yes Guards Red, blah blah blah, 90% are this color, yes an incorrect SW and the radio looks very bad, the blue car is pretty with very high miles, this market is becoming increasingly confusing and volatile like the stock market. Both these cars in the mid 40's? I'm biased as I'm currently a seller of an '87 Carmine red Coupe. I'm not getting over the top interest, my sense is 18-24 months ago it would be sold in 2 weeks?!
Throw it on BAT. 2 weeks ago a mint 26k mile silver G50 sold for 90k. The market is still strong for good cars.
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Originally Posted by fastdiablo
Throw it on BAT. 2 weeks ago a mint 26k mile silver G50 sold for 90k. The market is still strong for good cars.
thanks, I've seen interesting selling prices on BaT, also all over the place, like a month ago a very good condition car but ("high") 100K miles, unique color went for $72K. My car is a unique color, Carmine red and "high" miles, 113K. The miles seem to punch down interest. As you know the most important revelator is a quality PPI, I'm sure there are 50K cars that would fail the PPI and 100+K cars that get stellar results.
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Yep! I used to shy away from 80k+ mile cars, now that I understand motor rebuilds etc, there is no reason to shy away if you're an educated buyer.
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the really good cars never see a dealer

join PCA and see if you can get an SC direct from an aging PO
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Originally Posted by r911
the really good cars never see a dealer

join PCA and see if you can get an SC direct from an aging PO
This is good advice and I think a market that fewer people consider. When I was searching for my '72 I was looking at all the common websites/markets. I was also watching PCA online (it differs from their magazine ads). I found my car there - it wasn't published in their magazine classifieds so the exposure was much smaller than the other common websites because you have to be a member and log in and look at ads every day. My car was bought at a good price from a guy who had no interest owning an old 911 - he wanted the comfort of a 997.
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I am a PCA member. However the majority of those listings are asking unreasonable amounts. I would rather get a good deal on something that needs a little work as I like getting my hands dirty so the labor is cheap


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