Please school me on my 1977 Carrera 3 Targa
01-24-2018, 10:53 PM
#16
Exactly! That’s why I brought it before the group for scrutiny. If it is a Frankenstein, I’m still going to love it and drive the wheels off of it.
01-25-2018, 12:13 AM
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01-25-2018, 09:44 AM
#19
Please recheck my post, #10. I urged the OP to go over the car with a fine toothed Porsche Specialist to verify the fact that it's a 3.0. These cars are pretty rare/special.
And if he did in fact pay 3.0 pricing for a 77 middie with a 3.0 swap, uh, we're gonna have some serious trouble with both the dealer and BJ for misrepresentation.
And if he did in fact pay 3.0 pricing for a 77 middie with a 3.0 swap, uh, we're gonna have some serious trouble with both the dealer and BJ for misrepresentation.
01-25-2018, 10:56 AM
#20
Please recheck my post, #10. I urged the OP to go over the car with a fine toothed Porsche Specialist to verify the fact that it's a 3.0. These cars are pretty rare/special.
And if he did in fact pay 3.0 pricing for a 77 middie with a 3.0 swap, uh, we're gonna have some serious trouble with both the dealer and BJ for misrepresentation.
And if he did in fact pay 3.0 pricing for a 77 middie with a 3.0 swap, uh, we're gonna have some serious trouble with both the dealer and BJ for misrepresentation.
01-25-2018, 01:25 PM
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How would an auction like this work? I see the BJ description provides the VIN and the COA, and the text certainly implies that the engine is a 3.0 Carrera, but nowhere does it state that the engine number on the COA matches the engine in the car.
Do bidders get access to these cars to look for stuff like this? My impression was that all you have to go on are the photos and the description in the auction catalog. And BJ has a disclaimer that they make no representations or warranties on the cars they auction - it's all on the consignor.
OP, not trying to freak you out, I'm sure everything is fine. I guess you read about enough shenanigans in the used Porsche sales business that it is easy to become skeptical of everything.
Mark
Do bidders get access to these cars to look for stuff like this? My impression was that all you have to go on are the photos and the description in the auction catalog. And BJ has a disclaimer that they make no representations or warranties on the cars they auction - it's all on the consignor.
OP, not trying to freak you out, I'm sure everything is fine. I guess you read about enough shenanigans in the used Porsche sales business that it is easy to become skeptical of everything.
Mark
01-25-2018, 10:37 PM
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Mostly a nice car but there are some issues
The tail is factory, usually installed by a dealership on a tailless car where the customer wants a tail, only issue w/ these uis that they are very heavy and often sun damaged(this appears to be indecent shape The top looks to be in good shape. Wheels should be 6 & 7 x16 Fuchs w/ 205/55 & 225/50 tires
The engine cooling fan should be a 5 blade someone has swapped in a later one for better cooling, probably a good thing
One side heat tube is missing, the coil is not stock
This is what a stock engine will look like, 5 blade fan and heat tube across the top of the motor to the right side header
On the front bumper the turn signals have been converted to be US DoT compliant, and the oe tall headlight squirters replaced w/ late low profile versions. Most of those cars came w/ fogs, The original RoW headlights have been replaced w/ US 'sugar scoop' style. The chin spoiler is also factory but looks to have been sloppily installed.
In back the rear bumper has the much larger and more obtrusive bumper pillows replacing the RoW versions that were on the car originally
original rear bumper pillows and tail
The interior appears to stock and in decent shape, though the steering wheels and horn pad need some "Colorback" and some leather treatment, Someone probably swapped in the leather seats at some point
The tail is factory, usually installed by a dealership on a tailless car where the customer wants a tail, only issue w/ these uis that they are very heavy and often sun damaged(this appears to be indecent shape The top looks to be in good shape. Wheels should be 6 & 7 x16 Fuchs w/ 205/55 & 225/50 tires
The engine cooling fan should be a 5 blade someone has swapped in a later one for better cooling, probably a good thing
One side heat tube is missing, the coil is not stock
This is what a stock engine will look like, 5 blade fan and heat tube across the top of the motor to the right side header
On the front bumper the turn signals have been converted to be US DoT compliant, and the oe tall headlight squirters replaced w/ late low profile versions. Most of those cars came w/ fogs, The original RoW headlights have been replaced w/ US 'sugar scoop' style. The chin spoiler is also factory but looks to have been sloppily installed.
In back the rear bumper has the much larger and more obtrusive bumper pillows replacing the RoW versions that were on the car originally
original rear bumper pillows and tail
The interior appears to stock and in decent shape, though the steering wheels and horn pad need some "Colorback" and some leather treatment, Someone probably swapped in the leather seats at some point
01-26-2018, 09:35 AM
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That black lump of rubber is a bolt-on after thought. It is very different from the usual steel lid - fiberglass base - rubber wing. This thing just bolts on to the lid. Stupid heavy piece.
01-26-2018, 10:24 AM
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What were the earliest cars with those awesome seats? Amazing how far Porsche was ahead of the world in GT comfort.
01-26-2018, 07:09 PM
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The first 3 liter was the '74 RSR, which was based on the '74 Carrera 3.0RS which was a limited production homologation model, these used an aluminum case from which the later 3 l cases were derived.
The next 3l was the '76 & 77 Carrera 3.0, these were the first to use the 930.xxxx aluminum case which in one derivative form or another was used through the last 997GT3s and tt's , followed by 911SC for '78-83
01-26-2018, 07:35 PM
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indeed a heavy piece literally and visually, my dilemma is several knowledgeable folks on this thread say it is original and factory, I can't believe the car left the factory with that tail, perhaps bolted on by the dealer? if so, does that meet the definition of original and factory?
01-26-2018, 10:16 PM
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It's definitely one of the many variations of whale tail offered by Porsche. You can still buy new ones from Suncoast for $1500. Simon's 911SC site claims it is a Euro tail: http://www.adelgigs.com/911p-tails.shtml
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01-26-2018, 11:57 PM
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Plugging the VIN into Google quickly revealed the selling price... even if this car turned out to be a garden variety US-spec Carrera 2.7, he did very well.
01-27-2018, 03:34 AM
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