No PCCB on Spyder
12-06-2022, 05:13 PM
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If you end up not being able to add PCCB to your build and still really want Carbon rotors, you can spec the car with iron brakes and upgrade to ST rotors after you take delivery. $12,500 with my Renn10 discount plus pads & shipping. Better than OE PCCB by every metric, last 4x+ longer, and is half the cost. Lots of folks are going this route or using it as a backup plan if needed. Some have even purchased PCCB calipers after the fact as well if you really want yellow calipers.
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12-06-2022, 05:35 PM
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I can source them. Don't get much of a deal on OE Porsche stuff but can certainly source anything a dealer can.
Yes, if you spec the car with PCCB, you need the "Replacement" Kit. If you spec the car with Iron, you need an "Upgrade" Kit. The optional Pagid RSC pads will fit in both calipers, as they are the same. The ST Rotors supplied in both kits will be identical, the only difference being in the hardware that is supplied on the rears in terms of calipers bolts, and spacers. The Replacement kit will use a 5mm rear spacer, the Upgrade kit will use a 10mm spacer.
These are plug-and-play, basically as easy as doing a pad/rotor change.
These are plug-and-play, basically as easy as doing a pad/rotor change.
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12-06-2022, 06:07 PM
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I can source them. Don't get much of a deal on OE Porsche stuff but can certainly source anything a dealer can.
Yes, if you spec the car with PCCB, you need the "Replacement" Kit. If you spec the car with Iron, you need an "Upgrade" Kit. The optional Pagid RSC pads will fit in both calipers, as they are the same. The ST Rotors supplied in both kits will be identical, the only difference being in the hardware that is supplied on the rears in terms of calipers bolts, and spacers. The Replacement kit will use a 5mm rear spacer, the Upgrade kit will use a 10mm spacer.
These are plug-and-play, basically as easy as doing a pad/rotor change.
Yes, if you spec the car with PCCB, you need the "Replacement" Kit. If you spec the car with Iron, you need an "Upgrade" Kit. The optional Pagid RSC pads will fit in both calipers, as they are the same. The ST Rotors supplied in both kits will be identical, the only difference being in the hardware that is supplied on the rears in terms of calipers bolts, and spacers. The Replacement kit will use a 5mm rear spacer, the Upgrade kit will use a 10mm spacer.
These are plug-and-play, basically as easy as doing a pad/rotor change.
12-06-2022, 06:24 PM
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I'm confused by this. Aren't the calipers different between the steel brakes and PCCB brakes? The size of the rotors change from 380mm to 410 mm up front on the PCCB, and the rears go from 380 to 390 mm. Don't the OEM steel calipers need to be moved out both front and rear to accommodate the 410mm/390mm rotors?
A PCCB disc (or ST disc) uses a larger annulus (taller sweep), so PCCB pads are taller. The shape is the same though and both pad shapes fit into the other caliper. See below...
PCCB Pad Shape
Iron Pad Shape
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12-06-2022, 07:32 PM
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Highly recommend getting a lighter colored car if PCCB is not going to be available. Have Gentian Blue, and while I love the color, it's difficult to keep it dust free, especially in California. On Spyder as well you need to touch the rear decklid to put the roof up or down leaving handprints on darker colors.
12-06-2022, 07:49 PM
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12-06-2022, 08:46 PM
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Yikes!
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12-06-2022, 10:08 PM
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Really? Had Carrara White 997.2 GT3 with irons and looked clean even when dirty. Yes it did not look ‘sparkly clean’ but hid the brake dust and dirt excellent in my opinion.
You got White and Chalk in the same car depending on how dirty it is, why are you complaining?
You got White and Chalk in the same car depending on how dirty it is, why are you complaining?
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12-07-2022, 02:17 AM
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12-07-2022, 06:10 AM
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If you end up not being able to add PCCB to your build and still really want Carbon rotors, you can spec the car with iron brakes and upgrade to ST rotors after you take delivery. $12,500 with my Renn10 discount plus pads & shipping. Better than OE PCCB by every metric, last 4x+ longer, and is half the cost. Lots of folks are going this route or using it as a backup plan if needed. Some have even purchased PCCB calipers after the fact as well if you really want yellow calipers.
Rick is also a great sponsor that has been very accommodative to support our quest for superior brake upgrades.
I also went with Rick and bought a set of Surface Transforms upgrade for my 3RS.
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12-07-2022, 09:29 AM
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The new GT4RS Iron rotors (and 992 GT3 Iron Rotors) are 408mm on the front, not 380 like the old 991/718 GT cars. So you are going from 408 to 410mm, which is only a 1mm change in the radius. You are correct on the rear, hence the difference in spacers. The Calipers on the GT cars are actually the same caliper between the iron and PCCB, (the same casting, just painted differently). The castings are then just machined more on the iron calipers to meet the radial requirements.
12-07-2022, 12:02 PM
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Front: 380 iron to 410 ST = 30mm diameter increase (30mm/2) = 15mm front spacer (4927 Pad Shape)
Rear: 380 iron to 400 ST = 20mm diameter increase (20mm/2) = 10mm rear spacer (4925 Pad Shape)
Front: 410 PCCB to 410 ST = No Change, no spacer required (4927 Pad Shape)
Rear: 390 PCCB to 400 ST = 10mm diameter change (10mm/2) = 5mm spacer (4925 Pad Shape)
They have kits for basically every Porsche GT car application. They also have fitments for 991 Carrera/S/GTS, 992 Carrera/S, GT4 Clubsport, 991 GT3 Cup, and many more.
For older Porsche applications they offer several sizes ranging from 322mm to 392mm.
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12-07-2022, 05:41 PM
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