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LMAO... those are exactly my points and I agree with you... it is definitely a personal choice and like I said I love the 6’s music but my point is that’s it is the a certain crowd of traditionalists that seems bent on knocking the 4 turbo sound all the time and not the other way around.
Cheers!
Of course, there will always be "traditionalists" following marque/expensive brands like Porsche (especially brands that have carried very specific design philosophies/characteristics for decades).
I have to admit, while I drove and actually liked the power, the potential tuneability AND didn't mind (kind of liked) the unique sound of the T4 - I too somewhat felt like it was just "wrong" in a sense to buy a T4 Porsche.
Some people just won't ever like or accept a turbo 4 banger in a Porsche. Again, it is what it is.
Perhaps good for others though, if people dump the T4 to hop in the new 4.0, there could be some nice 718 values to be had.
Blah, blah, blah... You guys with this sound thing are getting tiresome. If you prefer the sound of the 6 NA versus the one of the 4 turbo, that's your entitlement but stop trying to justify to others it is the greatest thing since sliced bread. The fact is the 718 GTS with a 4 turbo is a better car than the previous 981 GTS with a 6 NA and dare I say even better than the 981 GT4. Yes the 4 turbo does not sound the same as the 6 NA but I do not dislike the sound of the 4 turbo, nor the sound of the 6 NA in the Cayman but I'd rather choose better performance over better sound and that's my opinion to which I am entitled to.
You are just paranoid. You always come across as a bitter, disillusioned person with a chip on his shoulder. I was not trying to justify anything. Sound is subjective, no one says that the GTS 4.0 is a better car than the GTS. It sounds different and has a linear power delivery, therefore it is more appealing to some than the turbocharged 718 models. The Carfection video is probably the first one about the GTS 4.0 without background music or distracting comments from the presenter.
Originally Posted by Jet Jockey
Besides that, the 6 NA in a Cayman is nowhere near as magic or music to my ears as the NA 6 in a GT3 or GT3RS. So in the same line of thought all GT3 and GT3RS owners could say the 6 NA in a Cayman is just so boring.
You are correct, however I last used this type of reasoning in kindergarten in 1974.
The T4 sounds nice when the engine is turned off, hehe..
Just kidding. A friend had a base 718 Boxster and to me it sounded like a tractor when idling or maneuvering. Once on the move it was tolerable. Until the moment I got back in my own base 981 Cayman, realizing what was lacking in reference to mine (which had the sweet Carnewal GT exhaust). That friend just traded his 718 in for a 991.2 base 911.
Hear, we all have different brains hence we hear things differently. We melomaniacs cannot live without the signature flat six sound while others don't know what we're on about.
The T4 sounds nice when the engine is turned off, hehe..
Just kidding. A friend had a base 718 Boxster and to me it sounded like a tractor when idling or maneuvering. Once on the move it was tolerable. Until the moment I got back in my own base 981 Cayman, realizing what was lacking in reference to mine (which had the sweet Carnewal GT exhaust). That friend just traded his 718 in for a 991.2 base 911.
Hear, we all have different brains hence we hear things differently. We melomaniacs cannot live without the signature flat six sound while others don't know what we're on about.
Personally, if I was givens choice to have a base 981or a base 982, would rather have the latter. I’ve driven the 2.7 with PDK and I just find it quite slow and anaemic for DD. Definitely 2.7 has the soundtrack ticked.
I definitely would pick the 981 S or GTS over the base 982 though.
Personally, if I was given choice to have a base 981or a base 982, would rather have the latter. I’ve driven the 2.7 with PDK and I just find it quite slow and anaemic for DD. Definitely 2.7 has the soundtrack ticked.
I definitely would pick the 981 S or GTS over the base 982.
Don't you realize we can't discuss performance? Just as the Ferrari club dis-invited Acura NSX owners at track events long ago, old line Porsche guys sweep performance differences under the rug.
Don't you realize we can't discuss performance? Just as the Ferrari club dis-invited Acura NSX owners at track events long ago, old line Porsche guys sweep performance differences under the rug.
Maybe because we're not all race car drivers like you, Chester 😉
Maybe because we're not all race car drivers like you, Chester 😉
I suppose you are right. Carrying this to a logical conclusion, those that don't rank performance high on the list, may be satisfied by a Miata. But I guess I left status out. Hmmm... the implications of that.
I suppose you are right. Carrying this to a logical conclusion, those that don't rank performance high on the list, may be satisfied by a Miata. But I guess I left status out. Hmmm... the implications of that.
What people like or value about a car cannot be sublimated in HP, acceleration, or lap-time numbers. Beginners and posers project their views onto everyone else so they assume that the only thing that could possibly matter beyond performance numbers must be status signalling and brand image. Nothing could be further from the truth.
In contrast to my racing, I'm in no particular rush to get anywhere on my back-road runs -- actually, I prefer that they last longer. My lowly 987 Boxster is orders of magnitude more enjoyable on my back-roads than a Cup car which would smoke it on the track. Horses for courses...
EDIT: I am so enamored with the 987.1 S every time I drive it that I'm not sure that a 4.0 GTS would be an upgrade in any of the dimensions that are relevant for the task.
What people like or value about a car cannot be sublimated in HP, acceleration, or lap-time numbers. Beginners and posers project their views onto everyone else so they assume that the only thing that could possibly matter beyond performance numbers must be status signalling and brand image. Nothing could be further from the truth.
In contrast to my racing, I'm in no particular rush to get anywhere on my back-road runs -- actually, I prefer that they last longer. My lowly 987 Boxster is orders of magnitude more enjoyable on my back-roads than a Cup car which would smoke it on the track. Horses for courses...
EDIT: I am so enamored with the 987.1 S every time I drive it that I'm not sure that a 4.0 GTS would be an upgrade in any of the dimensions that are relevant for the task.
100%
I found my plebeian level Cayman S way more fun on backroads than the GT4 and subsequently cancelled my order.
I found my plebeian level Cayman S way more fun on backroads than the GT4 and subsequently cancelled my order.
Your Speed Yellow Cayman is just gorgeous and already a classic. I love the SY on my 6gt3. Come to think of it, SY makes every Porsche look better. Don't understand why they replaced it with the colder, more neon-y Racing Yellow.
What people like or value about a car cannot be sublimated in HP, acceleration, or lap-time numbers. Beginners and posers project their views onto everyone else so they assume that the only thing that could possibly matter beyond performance numbers must be status signalling and brand image.
FWIW, while watching the latest Ring video posted on the GT4/Spyder subsection, I noticed a 4.0GTS with PDK around the 10:29 mark. Not sure if it is a repost since I don't really keep up with the 4.0GTS thread that much.
Lockdown, no more than one sunny day in row, and availability of store brand only rather than Charmin Extra Strong () makes me grumpy. (More than usual.) You folks that are bickering about the flat-4 turbo and the flat-6 N.A. just makes me want to poke a bunch of you with a virtual sharp stick. Instead I will attempt to unify you all by presenting a new target.
The best sounding production motor ever made by Porsche is the M28.47 with a rear muffler bypass. (Not the M28.41/42 or any other stock variant of the M28. Just the 47.)
Next is the M80.01.
The 918’s engine is third on the list. All three are far better sounding than any of the cylinder challenged and/or flat motors with the exception of the twin turbo 180° V12 cylinder from the 917/30 and that was far from a production motor.
I suppose you are right. Carrying this to a logical conclusion, those that don't rank performance high on the list, may be satisfied by a Miata. But I guess I left status out. Hmmm... the implications of that.
To your point, I do find a Miata more enjoyable than a base 718 boxster, so I suppose you're correct.
04-15-2020, 12:59 PM
) makes me grumpy. (More than usual.) You folks that are bickering about the flat-4 turbo and the flat-6 N.A. just makes me want to poke a bunch of you with a virtual sharp stick. Instead I will attempt to unify you all by presenting a new target.
