BurgerTuning released a JB4 for the 718
03-30-2019, 05:29 PM
#1
BurgerTuning released a JB4 for the 718
This seems to have been released very recently and still be in the BETA phase. Has anyone had the chance to try it?
They are a very reputable tuner shop in the BMW world, and are claiming much higher gains than other tunes currently available on the market.
http://www.burgertuning.com/PORSCHE_718_JB4_tuner.html
They are a very reputable tuner shop in the BMW world, and are claiming much higher gains than other tunes currently available on the market.
http://www.burgertuning.com/PORSCHE_718_JB4_tuner.html
03-30-2019, 07:16 PM
#2
Rennlist Member
Isn’t every Burger Tune a beta...or it seems that way based on the amount of check engine lights they tripped in the F80 M3/M4 version?
04-15-2019, 02:35 PM
#4
I had one on a new MK7 GTI I was building for autoX. It was VERY fun on map2 out of the box. Only limited by the weak standard GTI clutch which was pretty much toast after 5k miles. I had VERY a positive experience with Burger.
Ymmv.
Ymmv.
The following users liked this post:
lion shf (09-12-2021)
04-19-2019, 01:01 PM
#6
Had a Burger Motorsports tune on my BMW 4GC for four years. Worked great.
The following users liked this post:
lion shf (09-12-2021)
04-20-2019, 10:21 AM
#7
I'm 100% with you on this. Anything that voids the power train warranty is a non-starter. It's not like the 718 is lacking in power, for its weight. These are not drag racing cars, where every hp/torque counts for a win. I'll take my point-by's in the turns.
Trending Topics
The following users liked this post:
X2Board (11-19-2019)
04-20-2019, 11:44 AM
#9
These are piggyback tuners. They don’t flash the ECU, and...unless some serious digging is done, is undetectable once uninstalled. This is the major advantage when it comes to warranty issues. Install, is probably a little more involved in the 718 due to engine placement, but I had install/uninstall down to about 20 mins in my GTI with no tools needed.
I loved the fact that I could instantly change the dynamics and performance of the engine response based on my needs.
These units were rock solid for me, and many other people I know.
Ymmv.
I loved the fact that I could instantly change the dynamics and performance of the engine response based on my needs.
These units were rock solid for me, and many other people I know.
Ymmv.
The following users liked this post:
lion shf (09-12-2021)
04-20-2019, 05:50 PM
#10
In my mind there is a clear hierarchy to engine control mods in terms of both drivability and (all else equal) durability.
At the bottom are boost controllers- in the old days springs or vacuum bleeds, these days electronic.
Next rung up are piggybacks, which intercept and modify signals going to the ECU.
A good flash (or chip in the old days) is significantly better again.
Finally on the top rung is factory tuning, which is these days very tough to beat in nearly all cases (unless they are intentionally holding the car back).
The reason these are in the above order comes down to the number of inputs available to achieve the desired result. A current Porsche ECU has over 7000 data tables and inputs that control the engine in ways few can imagine and even good tuners often can’t fully decipher. Example: a given throttle pedal position will deliver very different throttle plate positions based on lateral and longitudinal accelerometers (what the car is doing). That in turn dramatically effects the way the car drives. The factory has thousands of such ***** at its disposal while on the other end of the spectrum a boost controller has just one. The other options fall somewhere in between, and all result in different drivability.
In the end unless you’re drag racing it’s less about power and more about usable power and safety factor. Thus I’d focus on drivability, and all else being equal (which it is not, obviously) I’d gravitate towards a flash over a piggyback assuming one is available from a top tuner. Or that’s been my conclusion after having had and sampled all of the above over a couple decades..
At the bottom are boost controllers- in the old days springs or vacuum bleeds, these days electronic.
Next rung up are piggybacks, which intercept and modify signals going to the ECU.
A good flash (or chip in the old days) is significantly better again.
Finally on the top rung is factory tuning, which is these days very tough to beat in nearly all cases (unless they are intentionally holding the car back).
The reason these are in the above order comes down to the number of inputs available to achieve the desired result. A current Porsche ECU has over 7000 data tables and inputs that control the engine in ways few can imagine and even good tuners often can’t fully decipher. Example: a given throttle pedal position will deliver very different throttle plate positions based on lateral and longitudinal accelerometers (what the car is doing). That in turn dramatically effects the way the car drives. The factory has thousands of such ***** at its disposal while on the other end of the spectrum a boost controller has just one. The other options fall somewhere in between, and all result in different drivability.
In the end unless you’re drag racing it’s less about power and more about usable power and safety factor. Thus I’d focus on drivability, and all else being equal (which it is not, obviously) I’d gravitate towards a flash over a piggyback assuming one is available from a top tuner. Or that’s been my conclusion after having had and sampled all of the above over a couple decades..
04-21-2019, 02:23 PM
#11
Rennlist Member
These are piggyback tuners. They don’t flash the ECU, and...unless some serious digging is done, is undetectable once uninstalled. This is the major advantage when it comes to warranty issues. Install, is probably a little more involved in the 718 due to engine placement, but I had install/uninstall down to about 20 mins in my GTI with no tools needed.
I loved the fact that I could instantly change the dynamics and performance of the engine response based on my needs.
These units were rock solid for me, and many other people I know.
Ymmv.
I loved the fact that I could instantly change the dynamics and performance of the engine response based on my needs.
These units were rock solid for me, and many other people I know.
Ymmv.
YMMV and if you think the ECU isn’t logging parameters outside the limits well you will find out. Also my buddy’s F80 M4 regularly goes into limp mode with his piggyback.
Peter
04-21-2019, 02:34 PM
#12
Carry on.
11-19-2019, 04:33 AM
#14
Anyone?