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Old 02-13-2019, 02:37 AM
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Anyone see Randy Pobst drive a bone stock 718GTS on Pilot4S's at Laguna Seca and post a 1:38? What an amazing achievement showing the capability of the 4cyl turbo, despite street tires. Randy's time in the GT4 back in 2015 was 1:37 on Cup2s, so the 718GTS could be the faster car on equal tires.

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Just for a fun comparison, these are the top 3 times in the GT4 forum:
Laguna Seca - Salinas, CA
1. 1:38.49 - OrthoJoe on Oct, 2016 tires: RE71, mods: Standard suspension bits for track alignment - post #332
2. 1:39.20 - Mech33 on 6/13/17 tires: RE-71R, - post #759video
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3. 1:39.8X - doborder Oct, 2016 tires: Re-71Rs, modes: u/k - post #334
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Originally Posted by AZWCat View Post
Anyone see Randy Pobst drive a bone stock 718GTS on Pilot4S's at Laguna Seca and post a 1:38? What an amazing achievement showing the capability of the 4cyl turbo, despite street tires. Randy's time in the GT4 back in 2015 was 1:37 on Cup2s, so the 718GTS could be the faster car on equal tires.
Actually 138.8, but what's mere .8 more of a second? lol (although I have no idea what the GT4's real time was in tenths either)

Was the GT4 on Cup 2s or is that a guess? They came with Dunlops too. Did the GT4 have steel brakes as the GTS?

It's also PDK versus 6 speed, and different days (climate and track condition) affects the outcome too.

But just goes to show Porsche knows what they're doing.
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Old 02-13-2019, 04:47 PM
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Watched it many times, he loves the car.
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Old 02-13-2019, 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by AZWCat View Post
Anyone see Randy Pobst drive a bone stock 718GTS on Pilot4S's at Laguna Seca and post a 1:38? What an amazing achievement showing the capability of the 4cyl turbo, despite street tires. Randy's time in the GT4 back in 2015 was 1:37 on Cup2s, so the 718GTS could be the faster car on equal tires.
You should check out this video if you haven't already. Randy drove a (lightly modified?) 981 GT4 and a stock 718 S back-to-back on Streets of Willow. The GT4 came out ahead by 1.5 seconds. Conclusion? Put the same tires on the 718 S and it beats the GT4.


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Old 02-13-2019, 05:55 PM
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Conclusion? Put the same tires on the 718 S and it beats the GT4.
In F1, 1.5 seconds is an eternity. I don't think anyone makes an R compound in the actual sizes Porsche uses for the 718 S/GTS if that matters. At least in 20". Same applied to the 981 Spyder which sucked as I hated the Pirellis it came with. Would have been nice to see a manual 718 chosen for the comparo to keep things level. Not only does the older GT4 win here, it wins in future value, desirability, wow factor, panty-dropping, and the more fun-to-drive factor. It loses in audio performance, parking precision, and eating while driving ergonomics (6MT v PDK).

But the non-purists can get a PDK GT4 next generation and the world will be right again. It will probably even have Apple CarPlay. At least future comparos might be a bit more level.

If I was still daily driving one of the many Boxsters and Caymans I've owned, I'd choose a 987, and pre-DFI at that. For the best Cayman toy you can still buy today, it's the GT4.
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Car looks incredibly composed. If it looked and sounded better, I'd probably have one in the driveway.
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Old 02-13-2019, 07:30 PM
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Nice comparison.

You can fit 981 GT4 wheels with the larger 295 rear, 245 front cup 2 tires to the 718 for extra traction. Now that would be a good comparison! The current tires are too small at the limit.

I know another person who just fit the GT4 size Cup 2 tires to his 718 Carrera S wheels. Maybe the rear rim was a little narrow at 10" but seemed to work ok.

Maybe not necessary but there is also a guy who has fit 911 Carrera S IV wheels 8.5 x 20 front, 11.5 x 20 rear with 245s and 305s on the rear without any rubbing.
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Old 02-13-2019, 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by donR View Post
Nice comparison.

You can fit 981 GT4 wheels with the larger 295 rear, 245 front cup 2 tires to the 718 for extra traction. Now that would be a good comparison! The current tires are too small at the limit.

I know another person who just fit the GT4 size Cup 2 tires to his 718 Carrera S wheels. Maybe the rear rim was a little narrow at 10" but seemed to work ok.

Maybe not necessary but there is also a guy who has fit 911 Carrera S IV wheels 8.5 x 20 front, 11.5 x 20 rear with 245s and 305s on the rear without any rubbing.
Anyone photos of the GT4 wheels on the 718?
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Old 02-13-2019, 07:54 PM
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Also note, the extra yard of track after #6 and #11 makes a significant difference in 2018 vs 2016-17.
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Originally Posted by oregonmon View Post
Anyone photos of the GT4 wheels on the 718?
I haven't seen photos with the GT4 wheels but for comparison this is a a link to an owner in Belgium who has the wider 911 Carrera IV wheels. It is surprising what you can fit!

https://www.718forum.com/forum/new-m...-gt4-wing.html
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Old 02-14-2019, 07:09 AM
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Damnnnn that is perfect.
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Old 02-14-2019, 08:40 AM
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Here you go, 718 boxter with GT4 wheels:
https://www.autoblog.com/2017/11/16/...#slide-7155644
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If it fits on a GT4 rim wise it will fit on a 718S/GTS. I run 8.5 x 19 front and 11 x 19 ET50 rear with a 7mm spacer. I’m not getting into the debate of Por/Baru motor vs 6NA but anybody who discounts the track performance of the 718 is smoking whacky tabaky.

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...but anybody who discounts the track performance of the 718 is smoking whacky tabaky.
Exactly.
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Originally Posted by 85Gold View Post
Iĺm not getting into the debate of Por/Baru motor vs 6NA but anybody who discounts the track performance of the 718 is smoking whacky tabaky.
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