CaymanSinAR

Not trying to bust your *****, but keep in mind the GT4 and GT4 Clubsport are different cars. One is a street car that will run in the neighborhood of $100K. The other is a race car that will run in the neighborhood of $150K or $180K depending on the flavor.

I'd be all about a Spyder Touring.

Chester7

Understand, but who says the GT4 Touring (at this point entirely based on an Automobile "exclusive") will run $100k? My bet is no way that cheap.

CaymanSinAR

I pulled that number right out of my backside!

The 2016 started around $85K to the $76K of the GTS. Was just speculating the 2020 GT4 would start around $100K to the $81K of the GTS. Would also fit with keeping the top Cayman right around the starting price of the base 911.

BUT... Porsche knows a LOT of folks are pining for a six in the 718. They might put a huge premium on it knowing people will pay it without blinking.

Give me a choice between an $80K 718 with a turbo four and a $100K 718 with a NA flat six and I'm paying the extra $20K every day and twice on Sunday. Now a turbo six? Yeah, I'd still probably pay the extra $20K. So long as it is as good as the turbo six in my 991.2 (meaning smaller twin turbos rather than a single larger turbo).

Yellow Submarine

Isn't the Spyder already a Touring?

A proper 718 Cayman GT4 touring would suit me very well indeed. This means: the underpinnings and looks (front and diffuser) of the normal GT4 without that ostentatious rear wing and with leather rather than alcantara trim. A "GTS" (ie, non-GT) 6-cilinder much less.

Chester7

I get your logic on the previous positioning of GTS vs.GT4, CaymanSinAR. If it is easy to fit the 3.8 flat-six into the 718, then you may be correct. I just thought that Porsche was going to "soften up" the GT4 Club Sport for the street. I just don't know the difference in engineering required between your version of the GT4 Touring and my "softened up" GT4 Touring.

I do agree that the 3.8 flat-six tuned with same HP/torque as the GT Club Sport is desirable as hell, maybe as much as Kate Upton. Oh, I just went too far... I'll take Kate, even if only once.

CaymanSinAR

My mythical 718 Spyder Touring would have, at the very least, a power top and ventilated 18-way seats.

Really all I want is a (preferably NA) flat-six in a 718 Boxster. Call it an S, GTS, Spyder, whatever.

Honestly though, after spending last weekend at the track in a 718 GTS, were my 981 GTS to disappear tomorrow and I had to replace it on the spot I'd probably suck it up and get a 718 GTS rather than a used 981 GTS. My 991.2 just has me too spoiled in terms of interior and PCM.

bruinmd

What were your thoughts on the 718 GTS on the track, relative to your 981?

I've never tracked a 981, but did a chance to track the 718GTS in PDK, and was really impressed. And the engine sounded far better than I was expecting (admittedly, my bar was set pretty low given how much it's been trashed)

subshooter

I've tracked a 981 BGTS and CGTS as well as a 718 Base (and many others). I also own a 981 BS and a 991.2 C4. I think the 718 is a fantastic car. Initially I was a hater because of the shift to the 4 cyl Turbo but after a 718 GTS kicked my butt while I was in my 911, I decided to take one to the track. It is a fantastic car and better than the 981 in every respect except exhaust note. Inside the car, the exhaust note sounds pretty good as you mentioned (symposers) but as an observer outside the car watching 981s and 718s fly by on a track, the 718s sound pretty bad. It's a great car though.

Agree.

I think the cost of a 718 GT4 is going to depend a lot on the engine that it comes with. If it has a detuned GT3 engine it will be a lot of money. Either way, it is going to be north of 100k imho. Recall that the 981 GT4 was under priced and demand significantly out stripped supply leading to another wave of allocations/production. I don't think Porsche will make this pricing mistake again. I also think there is a lot of built up demand for a 718 6 cylinder so when the GT4 does come out, it will go like hot cakes.

My guess: GT4 w/3.8L is around 105k. GT4 w/4.0L is around 115k to 120k.

bruinmd

Man, I'll be surprised if it gets a 4.0, but I totally agree, the prices are going up, and us crazies will pay.

I'm not sure whether to try to get on the list to get a spyder at sticker, or just wait for a CPO 718 boxter GTS for sale (gotta figure their prices will plummet once the flat 6 makes its comeback). I want a manual for sure, which lends itself to waiting for a flat 6 instead of the turbo 4. Then again, I've heard some say that the manual on the 718 is pretty amazing........I only drove the PDK on the track and it was unreal.
Thoughts on the gearbox ?


good to know the reasons for the engine sounding so good on the 718GTS.......that's certainly a little depressing to hear, but at the end of the day, it's gotta sound good to the person behind the wheel...... so I'll take it. lol.

Regarding the 718 GT4/Spyder, I wonder when we will finally know for sure, but I think it's unlikely it gets the defuned GT3 like so many of us had hoped initially. We know the club sport is getting the 991.1 engine .....

CaymanSinAR

Not much to say, really. It's unassailable fact the 718 GTS is the better track car.

All I cared about was hearing the car. What I loathed about the 718 S was the industrial vacuum pump noise in the cabin when running hard. I haven't kept up with it much lately, but at one point I read the GTS did not come with the soundaktor device. Since then I've also read that it does, but it's been moved. In either case, this GTS had the 7.5amp controlling the soundaktor removed. So even if the GTS does have a soundaktor this one was disabled. Granted, part of it could have been my helmet, but to me it changed the car. That awful, intrusive artificial noise was gone. I always respected the heck out of the 718; now I like it.

Yellow Submarine

Don't you mean the 718 4-pot needs a Sound Doctor?

DriveInHouston

Does the 911 need a Sound Symposer?

subshooter

It already does. I have two in mine.

Yellow Submarine

How shall we name the 6-cilinder model if it's no GT4?

718 Carrera?

Chester7

Porsche. There is no substitute. There is always a pretender coming along. The Z4 will be seen as a woman's car in time. Good luck BMW. And the Supra? How are the FR-S and BRZ selling?