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Old 02-12-2019, 03:03 PM
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Dear Porsche,
SHUT UP AND TAKE (more of) MY MONEY!!!
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This-----^ LOL.
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Why throw your money in an evolutionary dead end?

As far as I can tell, all 911s except the GT3 are turbo 6s...
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Old 02-12-2019, 03:51 PM
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Why throw your money in an evolutionary dead end?
To make money. Something at which Porsche is very, very good.

Or are you asking why a consumer would want to buy a 718 NA six?
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Old 02-12-2019, 05:50 PM
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NA is the evolutionary dead end.

We might go through one or two cycles with twin turbos (my bet is on one), a quick tour through the hybrid phase and by the mid to late twenties, hello 911EV!

And if you don't like the turbo engine sound, prepare yourself for silent running with a real Wall of Torque... Tune in on Formula E racing for a quick taste.
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Old 02-12-2019, 06:21 PM
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NA is the evolutionary dead end.
Sad, but true. Exactly why I'm enjoying it while I can, and super pumped at the prospect of natural aspiration being extended in the Boxster/Cayman a bit longer.

Naturally aspirated engines and manual transmissions are sunk by turbos and dual-clutch transmissions (which in turn will be sunk by electric). In terms of performance numbers they are simply better. But the market, new and/or used, for naturally-aspirated cars and manual transmission cars will prosper for a long, long time.
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Old 02-12-2019, 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by DriveInHouston View Post
NA is the evolutionary dead end.
I will continue to travel by horse until it’s glue.

Now. Buzz-off sonny. Or we’ll get out our ASCII buggy whips

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Old 02-12-2019, 07:12 PM
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And if you don't like the turbo engine sound...
For the record, I don't hate the turbo engine sound. My 991.2 sounds pretty bad *** under acceleration. It's just not something aurally I want to wring out and stay at high RPMs. That'a a bit of a disappointment for pleasure driving, but completely fine for daily driving. In fact, until I sorted out my Indiv setting on the 991.2 I pretty much didn't like the car and was disappointed with my purchase. But not anymore.

I've always liked the sound of the 718 from outside the car. Sure, I prefer the NA flat six wail, but the 718 is cool in its own way. It's the awful interior industrial vacuum pump noise of the soundaktor I hate. Pull the fuse for the soundaktor and the 718 becomes a much more tolerable proposition. I'd love it if more 718 haters got to experience it.
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Old 02-12-2019, 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by DriveInHouston View Post
Why throw your money in an evolutionary dead end?

As far as I can tell, all 911s except the GT3 are turbo 6s...
Yes, everything is turbo...except the best looking, highest performing, most fun to drive cars Porsche offers. Those are still NA...
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The GT2 RS begs to differ!
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Old 02-12-2019, 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Archimedes View Post
Yes, everything is turbo...except the best looking, highest performing, most fun to drive cars Porsche offers. Those are still NA...
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The GT2 RS begs to differ!
I see - from videos - that the 918 is quite a hoot...
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Old 02-13-2019, 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by DriveInHouston View Post
Why throw your money in an evolutionary dead end?

As far as I can tell, all 911s except the GT3 are turbo 6s...
Originally Posted by DriveInHouston View Post
NA is the evolutionary dead end.

We might go through one or two cycles with twin turbos (my bet is on one), a quick tour through the hybrid phase and by the mid to late twenties, hello 911EV!

And if you don't like the turbo engine sound, prepare yourself for silent running with a real Wall of Torque... Tune in on Formula E racing for a quick taste.
You are aware this thread is not about the 911? The 718 will be axed for an EV around 2022 but the 911 will soldier on with optional mild hybrid power for another 10 years from now and probably longer. But it will be the only Porsche with combustion engine then.

Even so, the dawn of the autonomous driving EV's is exactly the reason why an old school naturally aspirated manual driver's car is so appealing! It's one of the last chances to own (and drive!) one.

I'll have a manual GT4 touring, please. Yellow is perfect. With leather...
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Old 02-13-2019, 07:34 PM
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So what is the consensus on what this "might" be?

718 GT4 Touring or 718 S/GTS now offered with 6 cylinders?
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Old 02-14-2019, 01:26 AM
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Originally Posted by seis-speed View Post
So what is the consensus on what this "might" be?

718 GT4 Touring or 718 S/GTS now offered with 6 cylinders?
No GT4 bumper covers. No GTS Sport Design Package. No 20" wheels. It doesn't conform to what we'd expect of a GT4 Turing or a GTS.

Porsche reached into its history for the 911T and 718 monikers. Maybe this car will get some 'historic' label too.

It's a mystery.
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Originally Posted by visitador View Post
Pure speculation or the revival of the 981?

https://www.automobilemag.com/news/p...ngine-gts/amp/

Would be a good move by Porsche if its true. The GT4 would be a purist's car and leave the 911 platform for those that opt for all the luxury laden features.
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Old 02-14-2019, 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by DriveInHouston View Post
Why throw your money in an evolutionary dead end?

As far as I can tell, all 911s except the GT3 are turbo 6s...
Sorry what has an evolutionary dead end got to do with this choice? Would you buy a turbo car and expect it to somehow evolve? Surely you buy the car based on what you enjoy and whether the car delivers it. The car is what it is, it's not going to change. So whether the tech for the engine is nearing the end of the line is nether here nor there for the car itself. I far prefer manual to PDK for instance. If the announced the end of all manuals for 2012, it wouldn't follow that I should buy PDK because the manual was an evolutionary dead end. On the contrary, I should rush out and buy manual while I can.

Same applies to naturally aspirated engines. They are becoming rarer, which if anything means if you prefer them you should grab one while you can.
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