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TimD 02-06-2019 03:40 PM

How about GT4 Touring?

visitador 02-06-2019 03:55 PM

Remember too that at the lower end of the market ($60K+), Porsche is now facing competition from the new Z4/Supra. Someone who is young and got some hard earned money may be persuaded to check that BMW inline 6 instead. No matter how good the 718 chassis is, a prospective new owner will think twice about spending on a 4-cylinder vs that inline 6

CaymanSinAR 02-06-2019 04:31 PM


Originally Posted by visitador (Post 15620369)
Remember too that at the lower end of the market ($60K+), Porsche is now facing competition from the new Z4/Supra. Someone who is young and got some hard earned money may be persuaded to check that BMW inline 6 instead. No matter how good the 718 chassis is, a prospective new owner will think twice about spending on a 4-cylinder vs that inline 6

Hmmm. I forget about those since they aren't on the road yet. Dealer network helps as well. Not a single Porsche dealership in my state. Getting my Porsches serviced is a pain. I swapped out my BMW for my 911, but I LOVED the dealership experience at BMW. I'd book an appointment online, pull into the service entrance at 7:30am and my service advisor would be standing there. She'd hand me the keys to a loaner that was already running with the door open for me. We'd repeat the process at 4:30pm.

n4v4nod 02-06-2019 04:33 PM


Originally Posted by visitador (Post 15620369)
Remember too that at the lower end of the market ($60K+), Porsche is now facing competition from the new Z4/Supra. Someone who is young and got some hard earned money may be persuaded to check that BMW inline 6 instead. No matter how good the 718 chassis is, a prospective new owner will think twice about spending on a 4-cylinder vs that inline 6

More reason to transition the S and GTS to a six cylinder (NA or Turbo)

worf928 02-06-2019 09:28 PM


Originally Posted by n4v4nod (Post 15620168)
My prediction Looking at the bigger picture:
718 S and GTS will be 6 cylinder Turbo (Possibly a new version that is slated for the 992 base Carrera that will actually fit)
Base 718 will be the 4 cylinder Turbo (mirrors Macan model hierarchy)
GT4 and Spyder will continue with NA 6 cylinder

In Panamera and Cayenne World, the base and S models get V6s and GTS and up models get V8s.
I’m gonna predict the same for the 718: base and S get the F4 and GTS and up gets 2 more cylinders.
The 718 GTS isn’t as big a difference from the S model, whereas in the other models (except Macan) there’s a lot more differences on GTS models.

rdboxster 02-07-2019 12:14 AM

^^^^^^ :thumbup:

Peter80 02-07-2019 11:32 AM

No-one is saying that the current 718 is not a fabulous car and better than it's predecessors. But wow, what about better still. It makes a lot of sense to have a 4-pot turbo entry level (like the Jaguar F-type) and then move up to 6 (not necessarily NA) for higher up the range. A 4-pot above 2 litres with a huge single turbo is unquestionably rough and vibratory and I've experienced no fuel economies in real world driving. And all this talk about torque, useful on the track perhaps or in a diesel truck. But I'll take the smooth sweetness of the old 6 any day. Put me in a new 718 full comfort version (not stripped down for tracking) and make fit some derivative of the 911's 3 litre small twin turbo (or even the old 981 na 3.4) and I'll pay any price. I'm sure Porsche could do this without undermining the 911's iconic status. After all, the 911 has become more of a big 2+2 Grand Tourer than Sports Car and Porsche will be in danger of losing market share in the sports segment against the likes of BMW's Z4 and Toyota's Supra. And God forbid when we get the next generation Jag F-type.

CaymanSinAR 02-07-2019 12:27 PM


Originally Posted by Peter80 (Post 15622153)
After all, the 911 has become more of a big 2+2 Grand Tourer than Sports Car and Porsche will be in danger of losing market share in the sports segment against the likes of BMW's Z4 and Toyota's Supra. And God forbid when we get the next generation Jag F-type.

And the mid-engine Corvette, depending on price. Not my cup of tea, but I'm all kinds of curious about how it turns out. You can bet your backside I'll be there the second one hits a showroom floor in town.

Todd B 02-07-2019 01:15 PM


Originally Posted by worf928 (Post 15621180)

In Panamera and Cayenne World, the base and S models get V6s and GTS and up models get V8.

cayenne diverted from that model for the last version the GTS is a V6. The new GTS has yet to be announced, sure hope it’s a V8.

worf928 02-07-2019 01:23 PM


Originally Posted by Todd B (Post 15622403)
cayenne diverted from that model for the last version the GTS is a V6. The new GTS has yet to be announced, sure hope it’s a V8.

Ah. Oops. It - the Last Pepper GTS - is KIA on the configurator so I couldn’t double-check the last iteration. The Turbo still has a V8 so I just assumed the previous GTS followed the ‘formula.’ My bad.

Archimedes 02-07-2019 03:06 PM

If they put out a NA Cayman T it will have the same motor as the new GT4/Spyder, in a lower state of tune. There's no way a turbo 6 is going in the 718. If Porsche was ever going to do that, they never would have gone with the turbo 4.

rdboxster 02-07-2019 03:23 PM


Originally Posted by Todd B
cayenne diverted from that model for the last version the GTS is a V6. The new GTS has yet to be announced, sure hope it’s a V8.

Strong rumor (casual conversation with a rep at rennsport) is the Cayenne will follow Panamera engine use which means detuned 4.0 V8 turbo. Some question to when and if. I have a Cayenne GTS with the V6 turbo. At 440 HP it's all I need in an dd. I would much prefer a modern V8 that is more refined than the V6 turbo. Regardless of the direction in the 718 line takes I don't see getting rid of the 981 BGTS anytime soon. I just enjoy the car way too much to part with it.

CaymanSinAR 02-07-2019 03:35 PM


Originally Posted by rdboxster (Post 15622754)
...I don't see getting rid of the 981 BGTS anytime soon. I just enjoy the car way too much to part with it.

The only reason I'd consider upgrading to a 718 with a flat six is due to the interior and PCM. Weather has kept me in my 991.2 the last four months and I spent time in a 718 GTS last weekend. Prefer the interior of the newer models, and the PCM in the newer models is light years above the 981.

Of course all that disappears when I put the top down and let it sing.

Chester7 02-07-2019 04:44 PM

Speculation on a niche low volume 718? No, not at all. If the GT4 clubsport has the 3.8 liter flat six, then offering a GT4 touring model makes sense. More units to cover the engineering cost. The MSRP on the GT4 Touring will likely be near the GT4 Club Sport.

Speculation on a flat six replacing non-GT 718's? Yes. Hell yes. But folks can dream? Or is it living in the past? Depends on the person.

srcn 02-07-2019 05:05 PM

I never thought the video was of a Cayman T. It clearly had the exact same exhaust and rear valence of the Cayman GT4 and Boxster Spyder mules out there.
Looks like a GT4 Touring to me. This makes the most sense, given the popularity of the GT3 Touring.

I don't think the base/T/S/GTS models will be changing any time soon. The GT4 clearly has an N/A V8, most likely the 3.8 liter that's in the Clubsport.
They won't be switching to n/a flat sixes for non-GT models. The turbos aren't going anywhere. So what are they gonna do, drop in the 3 liter TT engine from the 992? No effing way would Porsche do that.
MAYBE they drop the displacement to the 2.5-2.7 liter range. But that still seems like a real stretch to me.


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