Future of the 718
02-07-2019, 10:11 AM
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We said, and I also have a 991.2 S, and a 718 GTS. The GTS may be quick (not compared to the 991) but I still don't enjoy it so much. Power delivery is the worst of my long line of great Porsches I've owned. My 981 Spyder was a beast. Hard to believe they share similar DNA.
02-07-2019, 11:46 AM
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Torque matters a lot. And torque is what is missing in the low end (the legal end) of the NA engines. What use is the horsepower, if you have to get to ridiculous ends to get it?
Looks like this is what bothers you. Enjoy...
Looks like this is what bothers you. Enjoy...
02-07-2019, 11:52 AM
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02-07-2019, 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Carrol Shelby
“Horsepower sells cars, torque wins races.”
Although, I wouldn’t bet an important body part that Shelby really did say that.
02-07-2019, 10:14 PM
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02-07-2019, 10:19 PM
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F1 is proof that the most power doesn't win races. Reliability first and foremost. And everything has to work in concert. I remember a Road & Track quote from the 70s that said the first thing to make something faster was to improve the brakes. Power isn't in play 100% of the time, and power is nothing without control.
02-08-2019, 08:14 AM
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F1 is proof that the most power doesn't win races. Reliability first and foremost. And everything has to work in concert. I remember a Road & Track quote from the 70s that said the first thing to make something faster was to improve the brakes. Power isn't in play 100% of the time, and power is nothing without control.
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02-08-2019, 09:43 AM
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Obviously you can’t win if you can’t finish. Otherwise, F1 is proof that aerodynamics wins races. Most of the time, on track, I find that folks ‘need’ bigger brakes because they haven’t been taught how to most-effectively use brakes regardless of size. The first thing to make a car faster is to adjust the nut behind the wheel. The second thing is to make it lighter.
Reliability and control are nothing without power.
02-08-2019, 03:32 PM
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If we assume that PAG will stick to the same 'formula' that it has adopted since the 996 then a trickle-down-from-the-992 full-makeover would be a MY'21. The 992 is a MY'20 hitting the streets ~6 months early as per the 991. Thus assuming the formula is the same a 718 follow-on would be a MY'21 maybe early in '20 or not.
992 mules were spotted roughly 18 months before PAG's official release. I would think that we'd see 982 (whatever you want to call it) mules in the next few months if a full-refresh is in the cards for MY'21. Logically, if we don't see mules within the next year then either PAG will have done a better-than-usual job of keeping it under wraps or there'll be no full-refresh for MY'21.
I would be shocked if a full refresh did not encompass a 992-like 'linear design language' digital interior as that would be a material break from the formula and would leave the 982 a generation behind all of the other Porsches in terms of 'techno-bling.'
992 mules were spotted roughly 18 months before PAG's official release. I would think that we'd see 982 (whatever you want to call it) mules in the next few months if a full-refresh is in the cards for MY'21. Logically, if we don't see mules within the next year then either PAG will have done a better-than-usual job of keeping it under wraps or there'll be no full-refresh for MY'21.
I would be shocked if a full refresh did not encompass a 992-like 'linear design language' digital interior as that would be a material break from the formula and would leave the 982 a generation behind all of the other Porsches in terms of 'techno-bling.'
Also, just for the record ref some discussions up the thread, the 718/982 is a refresh of the 981, not a new model!
02-08-2019, 09:26 PM
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02-09-2019, 12:22 AM
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Like the current M4 is just a refresh of the E46...
02-09-2019, 01:19 AM
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What are you talking about?! They used the same seats and door trim! Yes, i know, the motor, intake, suspension, brakes, most of the electronics, the MMI and all but one of the body panels are new, and both the internal and external model designations have changed, but it has the same seats! It’s a refresh!
02-09-2019, 02:18 AM
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