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Old 02-07-2019, 10:11 AM
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We said, and I also have a 991.2 S, and a 718 GTS. The GTS may be quick (not compared to the 991) but I still don't enjoy it so much. Power delivery is the worst of my long line of great Porsches I've owned. My 981 Spyder was a beast. Hard to believe they share similar DNA.
Serious question, I had a 991.1 with PDK and the 718 GTS feels every bit as fast, especially at the low end and mid-range (20-60). The 991 would overtake it and move ahead as the speeds went up but I don't feel that the GTS is any slower at usable speeds. I also have a 5 Cylinder RS3. now selling. Even though it is a turbo, it is very fast to 60 - faster than my 991 was. I don't particularly like turbos and hate that I actually get less gas mileage with them than I did with either my 991 or 991. But, I never criticize the quickness.
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Old 02-07-2019, 11:46 AM
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True dat. One does not buy a 718 and claim power matters most.
Torque matters a lot. And torque is what is missing in the low end (the legal end) of the NA engines. What use is the horsepower, if you have to get to ridiculous ends to get it?

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Have we forgotten the 718 is the entry level Porsche?
Looks like this is what bothers you. Enjoy...
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Old 02-07-2019, 11:52 AM
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Looks like this is what bothers you. Enjoy...
I was thinking the same thing. Status is a motivator in life's decisions.
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Old 02-07-2019, 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Carrol Shelby
“Horsepower sells cars, torque wins races.”
There. That should calm this thread down a bit...


Although, I wouldn’t bet an important body part that Shelby really did say that.
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Old 02-07-2019, 10:14 PM
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The 981 is the car to have with the 3.4. Not the 991.1, let alone the 4x4.
I never understood the logic of putting the 3.4 in the 991 when the 997 had a 3.6 in the base, other than to stop making 3 different 3 liter motors. Obviously a lot of Porsche buyers aren't after all out performance, so I don't question having a smaller motor for offer. I can only imagine very few base 991s have sport chrono either which makes a big difference in perceived oomph.

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Old 02-07-2019, 10:19 PM
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Originally Posted by worf928 View Post


There. That should calm this thread down a bit...


Although, I wouldn’t bet an important body part that Shelby really did say that.
F1 is proof that the most power doesn't win races. Reliability first and foremost. And everything has to work in concert. I remember a Road & Track quote from the 70s that said the first thing to make something faster was to improve the brakes. Power isn't in play 100% of the time, and power is nothing without control.
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Old 02-08-2019, 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by MidEngineRules View Post
F1 is proof that the most power doesn't win races. Reliability first and foremost. And everything has to work in concert. I remember a Road & Track quote from the 70s that said the first thing to make something faster was to improve the brakes. Power isn't in play 100% of the time, and power is nothing without control.
Obviously you can’t win if you can’t finish. Otherwise, F1 is proof that aerodynamics wins races. Most of the time, on track, I find that folks ‘need’ bigger brakes because they haven’t been taught how to most-effectively use brakes regardless of size. The first thing to make a car faster is to adjust the nut behind the wheel. The second thing is to make it lighter.

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Old 02-08-2019, 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by worf928 View Post


Obviously you can’t win if you can’t finish. Otherwise, F1 is proof that aerodynamics wins races. Most of the time, on track, I find that folks ‘need’ bigger brakes because they haven’t been taught how to most-effectively use brakes regardless of size. The first thing to make a car faster is to adjust the nut behind the wheel. The second thing is to make it lighter.

Agree that aerodynamics are key in F1, yet for the entire turbo-hybrid era Mercedes has had the most power, beating the superior aerodynamics of the Adrian Newey (aerodynamic king) designed Red Bulls. Power does matter and the final points tally of the last 5-6 seasons correlate highly with power rank, with the exception of Red Bull who place 3rd with the weak Renault power units.
Reliability and control are nothing without power.
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Old 02-08-2019, 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by worf928 View Post
If we assume that PAG will stick to the same 'formula' that it has adopted since the 996 then a trickle-down-from-the-992 full-makeover would be a MY'21. The 992 is a MY'20 hitting the streets ~6 months early as per the 991. Thus assuming the formula is the same a 718 follow-on would be a MY'21 maybe early in '20 or not.

992 mules were spotted roughly 18 months before PAG's official release. I would think that we'd see 982 (whatever you want to call it) mules in the next few months if a full-refresh is in the cards for MY'21. Logically, if we don't see mules within the next year then either PAG will have done a better-than-usual job of keeping it under wraps or there'll be no full-refresh for MY'21.

I would be shocked if a full refresh did not encompass a 992-like 'linear design language' digital interior as that would be a material break from the formula and would leave the 982 a generation behind all of the other Porsches in terms of 'techno-bling.'
Personally think sightings of Cayster mules are already overdue. Cayster basically follows 911 by a year. If the normal schedule applies, the next Cayster would be revealed later this year with cars to customers in 2020. We'd be seeing mules all over the place by now if that's what the schedule is, but as far as I am aware, there has been nothing. I have no idea what's going to happen, but I think it is clear that normal service is not currently operating.

Also, just for the record ref some discussions up the thread, the 718/982 is a refresh of the 981, not a new model!
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Old 02-08-2019, 09:26 PM
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Also, just for the record ref some discussions up the thread, the 718/982 is a refresh of the 981, not a new model!
Sorry man but that is total BS. You don't lop of two cylinders, shift to a Turbo,add a completely new Infotainment system and call it a refresh. PAG was right to call it a 982 instead of a 981.2. Just saying.
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Old 02-08-2019, 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by subshooter View Post
Sorry man but that is total BS. You don't lop of two cylinders, shift to a Turbo,add a completely new Infotainment system and call it a refresh. PAG was right to call it a 982 instead of a 981.2. Just saying.
Archimedes is that you?

subshooter your account's been hacked...

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Old 02-09-2019, 12:05 AM
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Archimedes is that you?

subshooter your account's been hacked...

Ha ha.....no it is me. I am pretty far away from Archimedes' views. lol
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Old 02-09-2019, 12:22 AM
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Sorry man but that is total BS. You don't lop of two cylinders, shift to a Turbo,add a completely new Infotainment system and call it a refresh. PAG was right to call it a 982 instead of a 981.2. Just saying.
What are you talking about?! They used the same seats and door trim! Yes, i know, the motor, intake, suspension, brakes, most of the electronics, the MMI and all but one of the body panels are new, and both the internal and external model designations have changed, but it has the same seats! It’s a refresh!

Like the current M4 is just a refresh of the E46...
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Old 02-09-2019, 01:19 AM
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Ha ha.....no it is me. I am pretty far away from Archimedes' views. lol
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What are you talking about?! They used the same seats and door trim! Yes, i know, the motor, intake, suspension, brakes, most of the electronics, the MMI and all but one of the body panels are new, and both the internal and external model designations have changed, but it has the same seats! It’s a refresh!
Pot? Meet Kettle.
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Old 02-09-2019, 02:18 AM
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Pot? Meet Kettle.
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