Cayman 718 T !?
07-20-2018, 12:42 PM
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Cayman 718 T !?
https://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2018/07/porsche-panamera-gts-718-cayman-t-may-coming-2019.html
Can't believe Porsche found space for another model but they did.....
Can't believe Porsche found space for another model but they did.....
07-23-2018, 11:19 AM
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Laugh if you will, but the folks with 991Ts are ecstatic about them. They are a combination of base, S, and GTS along with some bits from the GT3 and are, effectively, a ‘cheap 911R’ for enthusiasts rather than for collector/squaters/flippers like GT3s.
If a 718T follows the same ethos it will be great and it will have a character that is noticeably different, for those that are not butt-numb, from the other 718 variants.
If a 718T follows the same ethos it will be great and it will have a character that is noticeably different, for those that are not butt-numb, from the other 718 variants.
07-23-2018, 11:49 AM
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Laugh if you will, but the folks with 991Ts are ecstatic about them. They are a combination of base, S, and GTS along with some bits from the GT3 and are, effectively, a ‘cheap 911R’ for enthusiasts rather than for collector/squaters/flippers like GT3s.
If a 718T follows the same ethos it will be great and it will have a character that is noticeably different, for those that are not butt-numb, from the other 718 variants.
If a 718T follows the same ethos it will be great and it will have a character that is noticeably different, for those that are not butt-numb, from the other 718 variants.
The only things it has that are sorta unique is the light weight glass and the bucket seats. I didn't see much besides a marketing campaign when I debated getting one. The 911 GTS with no options is a much better option for only a few more $$$. Peter
07-23-2018, 11:55 AM
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PAG parts bin chicanery at its finest
911 T - spend 100K plus on a 'lightweight drivers car' that isn't appreciably lighter and you'll need to spend another 8 grand out of the box so it can properly stop -- brilliant! of course folks who buy them love them, you just spent 100 grand on the lump in your garage!
718 T - so let's see what they do and what they say to pitch this one... bargain 80K cayman with tinted headlamps and more boost on turbo 4?
said it time and time again: PAG are master capitalists and buyers are pigs at a slaughter
911 T - spend 100K plus on a 'lightweight drivers car' that isn't appreciably lighter and you'll need to spend another 8 grand out of the box so it can properly stop -- brilliant! of course folks who buy them love them, you just spent 100 grand on the lump in your garage!
718 T - so let's see what they do and what they say to pitch this one... bargain 80K cayman with tinted headlamps and more boost on turbo 4?
said it time and time again: PAG are master capitalists and buyers are pigs at a slaughter
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07-23-2018, 04:01 PM
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Absolutely. PAG is a master at mixing and matching parts to cater to niches within their niche.
Given your signature your middle name must be Bacon, Extra-Crispy 
Big deal. Not. Base .2 has plenty of brakes.
Short shifter. Shorter gearing. Unique interior. Unique version of SC. Cheapest model on which you can get RWS. Just off the top of my head...
If Porsche didn't offer a zillion options to enable a 'tailored' personal fit then that might make sense. As it is, that only makes sense to a subset of Porsche's market.
Regardless, using the same logic, once you've 'stepped up' to the GTS a Turbo or a GT3 with no options is a much better option for only a few more $$$.
With Porsche, you can always spend a few more $$$ to get a better Porsche until you get to the Turbo S. That's their game, and thus I'm not arguing that PAG isn't expert a up-selling to the point of pain.
Nothing new here. Just another model variant that will appeal to a sub-niche and attract the derision from those inculcated into one of the other sub-niches (e.g. Base vs. S. vs. GTS, FI vs. NA, MT vs. PDK, 2WD vs 4WD, etc.)
Bottom line is that, AFAIK, no one that owns a 911T has posted regrets that they didn't get an S or a GTS or whatever. They all seem to love it.
I expect the same of 718T owners should a 718T become a reality.
But, we'll see. The 718 doesn't have options that offer the same wide tailorable dynamic range as the 911 (PDDC, RWS, etc.)
said it time and time again: PAG are master capitalists and buyers are pigs at a slaughter
Big deal. Not. Base .2 has plenty of brakes.
The only things it has that are sorta unique is the light weight glass and the bucket seats.
The 911 GTS with no options is a much better option for only a few more $$$.
Regardless, using the same logic, once you've 'stepped up' to the GTS a Turbo or a GT3 with no options is a much better option for only a few more $$$.
With Porsche, you can always spend a few more $$$ to get a better Porsche until you get to the Turbo S. That's their game, and thus I'm not arguing that PAG isn't expert a up-selling to the point of pain.
Nothing new here. Just another model variant that will appeal to a sub-niche and attract the derision from those inculcated into one of the other sub-niches (e.g. Base vs. S. vs. GTS, FI vs. NA, MT vs. PDK, 2WD vs 4WD, etc.)
Bottom line is that, AFAIK, no one that owns a 911T has posted regrets that they didn't get an S or a GTS or whatever. They all seem to love it.
I expect the same of 718T owners should a 718T become a reality.
But, we'll see. The 718 doesn't have options that offer the same wide tailorable dynamic range as the 911 (PDDC, RWS, etc.)
07-24-2018, 11:16 AM
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Sure a GT3 is a better option than a 911 GTS if you could get one for MSRP.
For serious track duty the base brakes are not adequate.
Yes I am a minimalist tracker and don't load my cars up with options.
Peter
For serious track duty the base brakes are not adequate.
Yes I am a minimalist tracker and don't load my cars up with options.
Peter
07-24-2018, 06:31 PM
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"911 T - spend 100K plus on a 'lightweight drivers car' that isn't appreciably lighter and you'll need to spend another 8 grand out of the box so it can properly stop"
The base Carrera brakes are larger than on previous Carrera models which were able to stop just fine.
"For serious track duty the base brakes are not adequate"
What a surprise that you'll have to prep a street car - or any car for that matter - for "serious track duty" (= racing?). It's not a dedicated track or race car and it's not sold as such.
The base Carrera brakes are larger than on previous Carrera models which were able to stop just fine.
"For serious track duty the base brakes are not adequate"
What a surprise that you'll have to prep a street car - or any car for that matter - for "serious track duty" (= racing?). It's not a dedicated track or race car and it's not sold as such.
07-25-2018, 12:55 PM
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Porsche almost had my money with the 911T. Almost. S brakes (painted grey to match the other accents) should have at LEAST been an option. I pretty much hated the MT7 in my 991 so they T needed either a MT6 (never happen) or I could have easily gone with the PDK but then I would have lost the lower final gearing and the mechanical limited slip which were only available on the MT7. Finally, I really wanted the LWB but NOT the Alcantara they force onto you. Why couldn't I get the LWB with the same T style Sportech center material and good old fashion leather steering wheel (w 12 o'clock stripe) and shifter?
Sure I could have had the S brakes painted to match and added and I could have had the seats reupholstered and steering wheel and shifter swapped out and I probably never would have noticed the lack of the lower gearing or LSD with the PDK. But at that point I might as well just buy a GTS or GT3T.
Sure I could have had the S brakes painted to match and added and I could have had the seats reupholstered and steering wheel and shifter swapped out and I probably never would have noticed the lack of the lower gearing or LSD with the PDK. But at that point I might as well just buy a GTS or GT3T.
07-25-2018, 11:02 PM
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I just hammered a Carrera T on the PEC ATL track for an hour and the stock brakes never let up. I looked them up...they are the same size as the brakes on my 996 turbo! The same size as the top model from not too long ago that also weighs 400 pounds more.
07-26-2018, 12:23 PM
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Porsche almost had my money with the 911T. Almost. S brakes (painted grey to match the other accents) should have at LEAST been an option. I pretty much hated the MT7 in my 991 so they T needed either a MT6 (never happen) or I could have easily gone with the PDK but then I would have lost the lower final gearing and the mechanical limited slip which were only available on the MT7. Finally, I really wanted the LWB but NOT the Alcantara they force onto you. Why couldn't I get the LWB with the same T style Sportech center material and good old fashion leather steering wheel (w 12 o'clock stripe) and shifter?
Sure I could have had the S brakes painted to match and added and I could have had the seats reupholstered and steering wheel and shifter swapped out and I probably never would have noticed the lack of the lower gearing or LSD with the PDK. But at that point I might as well just buy a GTS or GT3T.
Sure I could have had the S brakes painted to match and added and I could have had the seats reupholstered and steering wheel and shifter swapped out and I probably never would have noticed the lack of the lower gearing or LSD with the PDK. But at that point I might as well just buy a GTS or GT3T.
no doubt the T is the 'value 911' to those who accept the proposition, and that is terrific for those who do
07-27-2018, 03:56 PM
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what we lose sight of here is this is still a $110k car, $120-125k delivered ... that we think of it as a 'cheap 911' speaks to how the narrative has changed... fact remains that the car is equipped with the smallest brakes PAG installs in the line, that it works for some on track is terrific, but using a basis for justification of 996tt equipment/performance envelope from 15 years ago is being generous
no doubt the T is the 'value 911' to those who accept the proposition, and that is terrific for those who do
no doubt the T is the 'value 911' to those who accept the proposition, and that is terrific for those who do
And full disclosure, I had a base 2016 for a couple of years that I AX'd and tracked. Stock brakes were just fine for me. Never faded, never gave me a problem (yeah I'm slow). So at the end of the day I don't NEED S brakes I just WANT them.