I thought you might enjoy the email thread of the attempted scam.
I wanted to see just how far he would go and how ridiculous his excuses would be for not being able to take another picture. What tipped me off? He insisted they were early-offset when you can tell by the picture that they were late-offset.
PD: Needed: full set of 16”, ‘86 Turbo wheels, fronts - 7”, rears - 8” and 23mm offset.
I am writing with reference to your advert above. Let me know if you're still interested. What's your phone contact?
48 St. Anne Street, Liverpool,
Merseyside L3 3DW, United Kingdom
PD: William, you’re in the UK!!! That’s a bit of a stretch for shipping, don’t you think? – Phil
Thanks for writing. My wife works with FedEx and I'll use their services. I have a set of four '1986 Porsche 944 Turbo Wheels with Tires for sale in a great condition and I am selling to create some space in the garage. I am asking a 250gbp for wheels shipped. The price includes shipping on a 4 working days delivery and I'll take payment via Western Union or Moneygram. What's your complete shipping address?
Thanks, William Beltijar
PD: William, as long as your wife works for FedEx shouldn’t we just use FedEx collect? - Phil
Hi Phil, My wife's business is different from mine and I will not look to interfere with hers. I am using her services because she works there. Let me know if the asking price shipped is OK. I'll need your full shipping information.
Many thanks, William
PD: William, the rims are chromed and that makes them more brittle for track wheels. I think 160 pounds and you can keep the tires. - Phil
hmmm. So what are you offering for them?
PD: 40 each, 160 total. - Phil,
If you'd give me a moment to think about the price, I'll get back to you.
I just made a decision and we'll have a deal, I'd have love to keep wheels to see if I could get a local buyer for them, but with the availability of these wheels here, it might be a little difficult. OK, we have a deal. I'll require your full shipping information to enable me arrange shipping. I'll let you know the information you need to proceed with payment once I have your shipping address.
PD: OK great! Can you snap a picture of the inside of the wheel and send it to me? I just need to verify the offset. Thanks, - Phil
Hi Phil, I do not have a photo of the inside of the wheels here in my computer but offset's 23mm. Let me know and e-mail me your details so we can proceed.
PD: No problem, just snap one with your phone when you get home tonight and email it to me. Cheers, - Phil
Phil, Sorry I own a small Nokia mobile and do not possess a camera. As the owner of the wheels, I have confirmed offset earlier and we are on the right track. Let me know with your full shipping information
PD: I'd still like to see a picture of the inside of the wheel if you can get one. What year Porsche did they come off of? Cheers, Phil
I earlier mentioned this came off a 1986 Porsche 944 Turbo Wheels and they are in great condition as well. I am unable to get another photo of the inside at the moment, here are some other images I had earlier of the wheels. I'll wait to read from you with your full shipping information so we can proceed with the deal.
PD: What tire size is on the rear rims? Cheers, - Phil
Tires 245/45/16 in back 225/50/16 in front
PD: All right, let’s check out the shipping & time involved. You’re paying for all shipping charges and insurance right? I expect delivery with no additional fees to be collected.
6 - 21 Royally Street (6th & 21st letters of alphabet – i.e. “F” & “U”)
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
I had a discussion with my wife this morning and she confirms the delivery time will be around 3-4 days once package leaves and there will be no additional charges on the package (shipped as gift). I got a hold of your full shipping information and it has been noted down for shipping. Below are the information you need to proceed with the payment.
Receiver's Name: William Beltijar
Address: 48 St. Anne Street, Liverpool, Merseyside L3 3DW, United Kingdom
Amount to Send: 160gbp (Price for wheels shipped)
Once you're done with the payment, you are to e-mail a scanned copy as proof of payment. If you do not have a chance with a scanner, you can e-mail the information below to enable me confirm and receive payment.
I'll let you know the tracking # and relevant shipping information once payment is confirmed.
Best regards, William Beltijar
(NOTE: he then calls me from the UK and I kept up the act and asked if he made sure the address was verified for door-to-door delivery and maybe adding insurance.)
Hi Phil, It was nice speaking with you. I had just had a discussion with my wife and she says you can a get a 15gbp insurance on the package. She also confirm she has done a check on the address you e-mailed and we're good. Once I get a hold of the payment, I'll let her know package is on the way, so she can process shipping from her end as funds will be needed for shipping and insurance as well.
Kindly proceed to payment with the information I e-mailed earlier and let me know once done and I'll get back to you immediately I complete shipping from my end.
PD: William, that’s great. Can you send me the insurance quote and conditions. Thanks. - Phil
Hi Phil, Insurance packaged I ordered will be a Full Replacement value, not depreciated cash value. Multiple Coverage options. And also your insurance coverage placed will be Primary not Contingent
Let me know as this is staying too long if you are really keen to
purchase these wheels so I can commence shipping arrangements from my end. I had earlier advised everything will be excellent as Jane is skilled and a professional and this is not the first time she'll be shipping out.
PD: William, please have Jane send me the insurance coverage details (scan or email) and I'll pay it from here with a credit card. Cheers, - Phil
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PD: What’s that in GBP?
Hi Phil, The price turns out to be $50 as opposed to the 15gbp, which I initially thought. So you should add a $50 to the UPS payment you'll send so I can pay for the insurance here. The total amount to be sent will be 180gbp. Kindly proceed with the payment and let me know. I have sent an forward copy which a worker with my wife's company had helped me to order as I am not used to this insurance stuff.
Insurance is 32gbp
Total for wheels, insurance and shipping is 192gbp.
Let me know so we can proceed with the shipping.
Best regards, William Beltijar
Me: I thought Jane worked for FedEx. Why are you now using UPS?
She said I wasn't serious with the deal as you are stalling. I am
having a hard time convincing her again. Let me know though
Me: Hey, I'm the one taking all the chances here! I asked for pictures of the inside of the wheels to make sure they are early offset and balanced and you still haven't sent them.
I was confident with Jane because you said she was an expert. Now you are using UPS and a USA-based insurance instead of FedEx. Let's get Jane back on the deal or you will have to cover the insurance costs. Do you want me to talk to her? - Phil
Phil, I managed to talk Jane back to understanding you are a serious buyer with your message now. OK, I'll order an insurance for FedEx as the price is same as stated. Let me know if we have a go. Kindly proceed with the payment for ú192 (shipping via FedEx insured) with the payment information I e-mailed you earlier for payment.
Let me know once completed from your end and I'll get back to you with an e-mail to let you now payment was confirmed and a tracking # as well.
Me: William please just send me the pictures of the wheel weights on the inside of the wheels so I can be sure the wheels are balanced and we’re good to go.
SILENCE FOR 48 HOURS - after I posted the warning on Rennlist.com UK web forum: “Scammer in our Midst?”
William, I guess you know by now that I knew you were a liar and a thief from the beginning. How stupid do you think people are?
You belong in jail and I will be forwarding your name, email, phone number and fake address to Scotland Yard and posting a warning on the Rennlist and PCA websites to look out for thieves like yourself.
Now shove-off! - Phil