nzskater

My thoughts on the Cayenne: the depreciation is so high buying a relatively new one would be expensive medium term. I'd wear the risk of a higher K's NZ new one with a detailed service history and mechanical warranty, be it CPO or third party. Flip it after 50-100kms and repeat. Amazing what you can pickup for under $30k in that space.

Pel

Considering the speed they depreciate what about this.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used...-821395661.htm

Macca

John. I thought you were set on a Q5?

Im generally not a fan of the older Cayenne. Great truck that it may be its getting old and costing money to own. If you want a cheap tow car thats reliable and will coist you next to nothing to run buy a BMW 530d with the now famous 3.0d engine. That thing makes 550nm without a chip and could tow a trailer no problem. 18K will get you a good one. If you are wanting an older/cheaper 4x4 for towing look at Tourag 10 cylinder diesel DI they are hard to come across and hold their value well but have stonking torque and performance that will keep a Cayenne S honest. If its just for driving around in and touring consider Ranger Rover super sport or a good Vogue or something. I see no need to go for the Porsche brand in these lines of vehicles, they dont necessarily make best of breed product outside the sport utility category, space isnt great inside and cost of ownership is high on long in tooth examples. Dean if pushed would probably tell you not to bother with anything pre 2010.

John McM

$25k ~ $30k is the space I'm looking to play. Lots of choice. It's all about condition and equipment levels. Next race meet isn't until 28/2 so plenty of time to look.

John McM

Macca, Q5 looks underpowered for towing unless going 3.0 diesel. Donna is still concerned about turning up at a decile one school in one as well. Thought now is GTI to turn up to work in and another vehicle for towing and long distance work. Are Range Rover reliable these days?

Maxem

Ahh, yes. A much researched area of vehicles by myself.
My 2 c worth would be to go Q5, Tiguan, or New shape Touareg, as new as possible. 30k will only see a Tiguan selected from that lot.
The right SUV will hold out better than most equivalent sedans. If I had bought an X5 3.0 diesel for similar money and year and Km's as my 530 MS several years ago the x5 would be worth double the 5 series now because they are so popular. A petrol X5, forget it.
Now the same can't be said for all SUV's and I believe that Cayenne's don't fit in that category of older desirable SUV's (my opinion, due to expense and the researchable horrors, and reflected in the cheaper asking prices). Towing; if I unload my 5 series in favour of the Golf then I have lost my tow vehicle, but the Tiguan actually has a 2.2 tonne capacity (0.2 more than the BMW) which is surprising for a smaller SUV so I will use that for the once a year haul up from Tauranga and the short flat trips to the ramp. It will not look right with a 6m 1.8T rig behind it but on paper it is more capable that the 5 series. A Q5 will always be a darling SUV so will hold up well and I assume would have a 2.2T capacity as well, more than enough for a Honda and trailer. A rangie or a Landie? Leave that one to you and your chequebook.
My experience with Euro's is get them newish and leave them to someone else to sort the inevitable wear and tear issues approaching 100k's. And then suck up the depreciation as part of the game. Phil nailed it a while back trumpeting Hyundai's but you, like me, are probably not ready to go there yet!

John McM

Dave, could a Q5 2l diesel tow a Honda on a trailer, legally?

John McM

Google answered my question. 2,000 kg braked capacity. That would easily cope with a Honda and trailer.

Macca

Dave's advice is probably sage. Doubling up on vehicles so Donna can be seen to be meeting her pay grade seems a bit OTT IMO but you know your situation best of all. Something with the BMW or VAG 3.0d engine in it is where I would leave it for now. That (BMW) donk is proven, reliable, cheap to run and has the torque you need to safely tow. You have options from BMW, Range Rover, VAG from 18K to 180K there to choose from...

Maxem

If it has the capacity. I am assuming it is at 2.2T which is the same as a Tiguan, it could be more being a slightly bigger vehicle. A Honda racer is +/- 1200kg, trailer could be 5-600 kgs, plus junk so maybe 1.8T all up, easy.
The 6m boat and trailer I tow is about 1.7T dry, plus fuel and junk so 1.8-1.9 T on the back of a 2T rated 5 series and this is no problem with a tandem braked rig. I once drove it 250kms with non functioning brakes (I didn't know, nor could tell they were out) and no drama's.
Q7's and Touaregs are at 3.5T.

Maxem

Just saw your 2tonne post.

The Tiguan has 2T rating for gradients more than 7% and 2.2 for less. Tiguan is only a 2.0 diesel but out torques the 5 series on that count. And I think has a greater mass.

Maxem

Some may think that running close to the max when towing is a folly but you have to assess how often and where. Tamaki drive to the OBC is easy stuff. There are endless non braked single axle 1.5 tonne boat rigs being towed to the coromandel by mid sized cars ( Camry's, mondeo's etc) The max capacity for anything unbraked I believe is 750kg. This is an area that is obviously not been enforced at wof time or by the plod, otherwise there would be no boats on the road. So I feel pretty comfortable about running within a couple of hundred kg's of max load with a tandem braked rig. If I were towing a lot and long haul, I'd go bigger but its not necessary for what I do.

shiraz

Hi All, a question for those of you who import bits. I'm due oil change for a 95 993 with addition of filters for fuel & pollen. Have yet to contact Autothority in Chch, but have looked at sunset Porsche (Us$ 130.94) & sonnen ( $ 125.52). Neither had freight cost & sunset only give US & Canada delivery.
Is it worth while plus the delay or just pay Autothority $? Other options/ vendors?
Cheers - David

Macca

Dave Mark at FD Motorsport will match or beat sunset and charge you only USPS (fast and cheap) at cost. Most of us use these guys and I think all are happy...fdmotorsports@comcast.net

996tnz

David, another that ships to NZ is Pelican Parts. Stuff from the US outfits I've used normally arrives within a week and freight cost is pretty low.

Mark - thanks, I'll check FD too next time.