BrandonH

That was just priceless, wasn't it? Though to be fair I believe that was an ex Jon Horgas car so while maybe it's resale value is lowish, it had $N0,000s of development time and dollars I'm guessing!

renvagn

Earlier it was mentioned they require a specific driving style do to limited set-up flexibility. What style is this, corner entry momentum with smooth early steering inputs and good lines? I wouldn't think this would be a tosser.

Circuit Motorsports

Being in a spec class the idea of momentum is accentuated but IMO all cars are momentum cars relative to other cars in their own class. The cars do need to be slipping and sliding a bit to really rattle off the fast times with the current tires. Part of the reason they are so fun. I'll see if I can round up a fast guy running a fast lap with some footage of the hands.

Nope, not an ex-Horgas car. Ex-Bruce Lindstrand. I almost bought it a year before Reid picked it up. In hindsight I wish I had but it was about 3K more than I wanted to spend at the time and I really didn't want to beat up that car as my first open wheel car. It has a good bit of time figuring out the nuances of the front suspension (mono-shock) but nothing on the order of 10K+. The car is just REALLY slippery in a straight line and Reid is really hustling it around the course. I don't think the car would do as well at a course like Mid-Ohio. But yeah it was priceless to see that car sitting on pole. Bad race luck but he'll only get better which is fun to watch.

Circuit Motorsports

http://vimeo.com/15207902

here's one at WG. You can see Pat being nice and smooth but the car is still moving around and sliding a bit.

Barfly

FWIW, I shift at 5400 except the upshift to 5th, then at 5600.

Jason

Barfly

Depends on the driver. This year's national champ is a tosser, and I don't mean that in the British sense of the word. The guys that finished 2nd and 3rd at the Runoffs are both smooth. I drove somewhere in between.

Jason

Professor Helmüt Tester

Lol...Pat, aka "The Cookie Man" !!!

Note ~10:25 getting woofed by a twin-engined SRF. Gotta have your buddies in the pix in SRF.

MLIN

Thanks, good to know!

renvagn

[Nice video, looks like a blast. Driving style is pretty much what I would have thought. Looks like they really stick. 1:20 for laps is not too shabby. Is there much aero advantage or is it all mechanical?

Circuit Motorsports

All mechanical grip. The car has lots of grip compared to most cars out there.

Potomac-Greg

There's a potentially disastrous pass on an Integra at about 14:00 into the video.

I was surprised to see the speed the SRFs carried.

BGB Motorsports

Joe,

Where is the #533 video? Hector and I are trying to find some online! Have you posted any from any of your events?

Circuit Motorsports

I've been bad about uploading. Big reason is the files are huge and I haven't taken the time to cut them down to the right size for vimeo. I'll try and get one up while I'm on vacation this weekend. I'll see if I can find the one of you at Daytona.

Might have someone ineterested in your motor by the way. My dad has a customer who might have lunched his 996 motor and the 997 would be a good fit and good price.

dbf73

This is a great thread. Anyone care to update their posts re the various classes to reflect changes? Giving serious thought to getting back into a bespoke race car. Started in a $2000 basket case Lola T200 FF, raced various showroom stock and Renault Cup for a while and did some nationals in a friend's Sport Renault. Been semi-retired from the track for quite a while. I gotta say Brandon's RF98 is awful tempting

BrandonH

We have been out of FF for a year now since my son went off to college and pressure from spouse and business partners means I can't get in it). Last years' season in F1600 was interesting; it was very much populated with young-gun hotshoes coming out of karts, several from Europe and Australia, and all season long laying down astounding lap times. Clearly the Honda based cars are the future although Kent cars were still very competitive see the results of FF veteran Art Foster. In SCCA where Honda still runs a tougher restricter plate, the old Kent engine may still be the ultimate setup, albeit only the best Kents with the most refined setups. (ie, the average honda is going to beat the average Kent, where the best Kents likely have a few more HP than hondas)

While I hesitate to use the words 'the best,' I certainly am convinced FF is a fantastic way to immerse yourself in the true full racecar experience. Good sized fields, extreme tunability (one FF guy on apex has sig line: 'spec classes are like communist racing"), lap times only exceeded by the heaviest iron in sports car racing...

The car we are selling is a classic example of a package which has had an extremely high level of development. It's not easy to sell a full-on racecar in the best of climates, so I've been fending off many offers to buy components. Parting it out would be heartbreaking but ironically the parts (engine/data/suspension spares/bodywork) have a much higher market value than the package...