Walker's daughter suing Porsche.
10-02-2015, 08:54 PM
#17
Sad day... for all.
10-05-2015, 07:01 PM
#18
The basis of the Walker suit is that the GT had a defect and that defect was the absence of stability control. I suspect however that the tires were the cause of the accident.
All of us who have tracked our cars, which I assume is virtually everyone on this forum, know how critical tires are to our safety. Even though the GT tires only had about 3k miles on them, they were nine years old. I know that this GT had several owners. It's just amazing that the tires weren't replaced during a routine maintenance service. Four years is about the maximum tire life for a car that is tracked, regardless of how much tread remains.
Based on what I've read the driver was a competent race car driver, so I wouldn't be surprised if one or more of those tires blew when subjected to great cornering stress. Since the car wasn't his, I expect that the driver assumed that the tires were relatively new. It's not exactly easy to read the manufacture date stamped on the tires.
All of us who have tracked our cars, which I assume is virtually everyone on this forum, know how critical tires are to our safety. Even though the GT tires only had about 3k miles on them, they were nine years old. I know that this GT had several owners. It's just amazing that the tires weren't replaced during a routine maintenance service. Four years is about the maximum tire life for a car that is tracked, regardless of how much tread remains.
Based on what I've read the driver was a competent race car driver, so I wouldn't be surprised if one or more of those tires blew when subjected to great cornering stress. Since the car wasn't his, I expect that the driver assumed that the tires were relatively new. It's not exactly easy to read the manufacture date stamped on the tires.
10-06-2015, 08:10 PM
#19
I learned the hard way about not checking your tires when out for an "agressive" drive. The air pressure was a little under in one tire (didn't know it at that time), and after 2- 90º spins and finishing with a nice 180º - I ran out of road. Just damaged the bottom composite panels on the bottom of the car. Taught me a huge lesson - tires are one of the most important systems on your car.
I am sure alot of it was due to the age of the tires. These types of automobiles can push all of the car's systems to the extreme. The weakest one will fail - and depending on which one it is will effect the driver and the car's dynamics..
Any way - its the same crap that seems to be going on these days - it is always someone else's problem and not your own.
I am sure alot of it was due to the age of the tires. These types of automobiles can push all of the car's systems to the extreme. The weakest one will fail - and depending on which one it is will effect the driver and the car's dynamics..
Any way - its the same crap that seems to be going on these days - it is always someone else's problem and not your own.
10-07-2015, 11:19 PM
#20
I learned the hard way about not checking your tires when out for an "agressive" drive. The air pressure was a little under in one tire (didn't know it at that time), and after 2- 90º spins and finishing with a nice 180º - I ran out of road. Just damaged the bottom composite panels on the bottom of the car. Taught me a huge lesson - tires are one of the most important systems on your car.
I am sure alot of it was due to the age of the tires. These types of automobiles can push all of the car's systems to the extreme. The weakest one will fail - and depending on which one it is will effect the driver and the car's dynamics..
Any way - its the same crap that seems to be going on these days - it is always someone else's problem and not your own.
I am sure alot of it was due to the age of the tires. These types of automobiles can push all of the car's systems to the extreme. The weakest one will fail - and depending on which one it is will effect the driver and the car's dynamics..
Any way - its the same crap that seems to be going on these days - it is always someone else's problem and not your own.
10-24-2015, 02:48 PM
#21
Burning Brakes
Something rarely mentioned is the dip right near the exit of the corner. Obviously I do not know exactly what happened but I have driven around that corner many times, before and after this accident. Not that I ever noticed it before but recently I have become very aware of a dip and then a subsequent lightening of the chassis at a very critical part of the corner.
If you were taking it at over 90 mph I could see it causing a problem, especially in conjunction with old and cold tires. I do find it hard to believe that any sports car would lose control below 70 though, but especially a Carrera GT. Unless of course Roger punched it on the exit to intentionally kick the back out and then lost control. Something I have done in my younger days and was only lucky to not hit anything.
In any event I think there is better than even chance that dip played some role in the tragedy.
If you were taking it at over 90 mph I could see it causing a problem, especially in conjunction with old and cold tires. I do find it hard to believe that any sports car would lose control below 70 though, but especially a Carrera GT. Unless of course Roger punched it on the exit to intentionally kick the back out and then lost control. Something I have done in my younger days and was only lucky to not hit anything.
In any event I think there is better than even chance that dip played some role in the tragedy.
10-25-2015, 09:08 PM
#22
Drifting
Something rarely mentioned is the dip right near the exit of the corner. Obviously I do not know exactly what happened but I have driven around that corner many times, before and after this accident. Not that I ever noticed it before but recently I have become very aware of a dip and then a subsequent lightening of the chassis at a very critical part of the corner.
If you were taking it at over 90 mph I could see it causing a problem, especially in conjunction with old and cold tires. I do find it hard to believe that any sports car would lose control below 70 though, but especially a Carrera GT. Unless of course Roger punched it on the exit to intentionally kick the back out and then lost control. Something I have done in my younger days and was only lucky to not hit anything.
In any event I think there is better than even chance that dip played some role in the tragedy.
If you were taking it at over 90 mph I could see it causing a problem, especially in conjunction with old and cold tires. I do find it hard to believe that any sports car would lose control below 70 though, but especially a Carrera GT. Unless of course Roger punched it on the exit to intentionally kick the back out and then lost control. Something I have done in my younger days and was only lucky to not hit anything.
In any event I think there is better than even chance that dip played some role in the tragedy.
CGT in 3rd gear will break loose car is incredibly direct and responsive.
11-17-2015, 06:10 PM
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Paul Walker responsible for own death
11-18-2015, 01:16 PM
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The Lawyer for Walker is a dreamer.
I sure hope he dosnt charge legal fees for this horrible case.
To claim that a vehicle (which has met all saftey standards in 2004) was not build to good enough standards to withstand a crash at over twice the posted speed limit is just grasping at straws.
The walker's lawyer should be focusing on sueing the driver.... although Walker voluntered to let him drive so that is a dead end as well.
I sure hope he dosnt charge legal fees for this horrible case.
To claim that a vehicle (which has met all saftey standards in 2004) was not build to good enough standards to withstand a crash at over twice the posted speed limit is just grasping at straws.
The walker's lawyer should be focusing on sueing the driver.... although Walker voluntered to let him drive so that is a dead end as well.
11-19-2015, 11:49 PM
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Not sure where this lawyer thinks the GT has no PASM, its the same for most you have to turn it off. Cold tires, PASM = trouble, clearly the drivers fault!
11-20-2015, 06:25 PM
#30
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Original tires on a 2005 CGT equals bad news. Idiots driving (any car) at excessive speeds on a public road equals just that. Idiots. Professional drivers driving around on public streets with 9 year old tires in a CGT at excessive speeds equals MAJOR idiots who should know better. We can only be glad they didn't kill anyone else with such irresponsible behavior.
It's hard to have much sympathy when they both knew this particular cars tendencies and capabilities so very well. I liked the guy but such a shame that most laypeople will hate on Porsche over this and look sideways at us other owners even though the majority of us takes such care to maintain and operate these powerful machines responsibly under proper conditions. Big black eye for us and Porsche and a horrible loss for the families that are impacted by such impulsive and idiotic behavior
It's hard to have much sympathy when they both knew this particular cars tendencies and capabilities so very well. I liked the guy but such a shame that most laypeople will hate on Porsche over this and look sideways at us other owners even though the majority of us takes such care to maintain and operate these powerful machines responsibly under proper conditions. Big black eye for us and Porsche and a horrible loss for the families that are impacted by such impulsive and idiotic behavior
