Fast and Furious Paul Walker killed in CGT
12-01-2013, 08:52 AM
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Driver in car crash that killed Paul Walker drove in the Pirelli World Challenge
Can't help but wonder if it was a case of not taking it to the track:
Fast and the Furious actor Paul Walker was killed in a car crash on Saturday and, according to reports, the driver of the car was Roger Rodas, who has driven in the Pirelli World Challenge.
Tragic, but I have to say I've never cared for the "Fast and Furious" franchise.
-Mike
Not enough coffee this morning, duplicate topic. Moderators feel free to move or delete.
Fast and the Furious actor Paul Walker was killed in a car crash on Saturday and, according to reports, the driver of the car was Roger Rodas, who has driven in the Pirelli World Challenge.
Tragic, but I have to say I've never cared for the "Fast and Furious" franchise.
-Mike
Not enough coffee this morning, duplicate topic. Moderators feel free to move or delete.
12-01-2013, 09:00 AM
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12-01-2013, 09:49 AM
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Hi,
I'm not going to debate the speed here - I wasn't there. Good friends who know high speeds and performance driving - one was a national champion in class and holds a few track records for non-pro - were there and were adament it was no more than 45mph.
I WILL state that conclusions about speed based on the pictures AFTER the car exploded and burned can be misguided, at best.
I've seen cars that looked as bad, or worse, that didn't hit anything but caught fire and burned to an empty charred shell. And I'm talking from seeing one of these examples IN PERSON, as it happened. And that's without exploding, as most eyewitnesses agreed happened in this incident. The way the CGT looks in internet pictures (unless you've seen something I haven't) does not conclude triple digit speeds.
But this debate is pointless (other than impugning the social responsibility of the deceased - non-performance-car-enthusiasts have tried to imply that somehow, they brought it on themselves with reckless socially irresponsible behaviour. I have such strong, conflicted feelings about this mindset that I will comment no more on the subject...
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My only thoughts now are with the deceased and their families and friends.
Condolences and RIP.
I'm not going to debate the speed here - I wasn't there. Good friends who know high speeds and performance driving - one was a national champion in class and holds a few track records for non-pro - were there and were adament it was no more than 45mph.
I WILL state that conclusions about speed based on the pictures AFTER the car exploded and burned can be misguided, at best.
I've seen cars that looked as bad, or worse, that didn't hit anything but caught fire and burned to an empty charred shell. And I'm talking from seeing one of these examples IN PERSON, as it happened. And that's without exploding, as most eyewitnesses agreed happened in this incident. The way the CGT looks in internet pictures (unless you've seen something I haven't) does not conclude triple digit speeds.
But this debate is pointless (other than impugning the social responsibility of the deceased - non-performance-car-enthusiasts have tried to imply that somehow, they brought it on themselves with reckless socially irresponsible behaviour. I have such strong, conflicted feelings about this mindset that I will comment no more on the subject...
)My only thoughts now are with the deceased and their families and friends.
Condolences and RIP.
12-01-2013, 10:00 AM
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Hi,
I'm not going to debate the speed here - I wasn't there. Good friends who know high speeds and performance driving - one was a national champion in class and holds a few track records for non-pro - were there and were adament it was no more than 45mph.
I WILL state that conclusions about speed based on the pictures AFTER the car exploded and burned can be misguided, at best.
I've seen cars that looked as bad, or worse, that didn't hit anything but caught fire and burned to an empty charred shell. And I'm talking from seeing one of these examples IN PERSON, as it happened. And that's without exploding, as most eyewitnesses agreed happened in this incident. The way the CGT looks in internet pictures (unless you've seen something I haven't) does not conclude triple digit speeds.
But this debate is pointless (other than impugning the social responsibility of the deceased - non-performance-car-enthusiasts have tried to imply that somehow, they brought it on themselves with reckless socially irresponsible behaviour. I have such strong, conflicted feelings about this mindset that I will comment no more on the subject... )
My only thoughts now are with the deceased and their families and friends.
Condolences and RIP.
I'm not going to debate the speed here - I wasn't there. Good friends who know high speeds and performance driving - one was a national champion in class and holds a few track records for non-pro - were there and were adament it was no more than 45mph.
I WILL state that conclusions about speed based on the pictures AFTER the car exploded and burned can be misguided, at best.
I've seen cars that looked as bad, or worse, that didn't hit anything but caught fire and burned to an empty charred shell. And I'm talking from seeing one of these examples IN PERSON, as it happened. And that's without exploding, as most eyewitnesses agreed happened in this incident. The way the CGT looks in internet pictures (unless you've seen something I haven't) does not conclude triple digit speeds.
But this debate is pointless (other than impugning the social responsibility of the deceased - non-performance-car-enthusiasts have tried to imply that somehow, they brought it on themselves with reckless socially irresponsible behaviour. I have such strong, conflicted feelings about this mindset that I will comment no more on the subject...
)My only thoughts now are with the deceased and their families and friends.
Condolences and RIP.
12-01-2013, 10:12 AM
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Very sad
I did not know Paul personally but grew up just down the street from him
By all accounts a great guy - he used to drive lots of different cars around but never saw him do anything irresponsible
Also had a boat in the Santa Barbara harbor that he was always working on
Sounds like he was passionate about charity work which makes this all the more tragic...
I did not know Paul personally but grew up just down the street from him
By all accounts a great guy - he used to drive lots of different cars around but never saw him do anything irresponsible
Also had a boat in the Santa Barbara harbor that he was always working on
Sounds like he was passionate about charity work which makes this all the more tragic...
12-01-2013, 10:21 AM
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At first glance 45mph seems a joke, but it's hard to say from the pics how much damage there is to the car on the front end and we can't see the side where the impact was perhaps. But looking at the pictures a second time, I suppose it's possible IF the car did actually explode. Regardless, it's a horrible accident and most likely was caused by carelessness. All it takes is a momentary loss of concentration in any car, especially a 600+hp car with a rep for being a handful.
RIP both.
*edit*
CNN.com article states speed was a factor according to CHiPs and that the speed limit there is 45. Car hit a telephone pole evidently.
RIP both.
*edit*
CNN.com article states speed was a factor according to CHiPs and that the speed limit there is 45. Car hit a telephone pole evidently.
12-01-2013, 11:01 AM
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No way it was 45MPH. The accident occurred 1300ft from the charity event. In that car you can get up over 100mph in that distance. Plus, if you watch the video on CNN they show a pic of the skid marks. They show a very fast spin almost like a 180 in place. Once you spin that fast at high speed, recovery is unlikely.
12-01-2013, 11:05 AM
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No way it was 45MPH. The accident occurred 1300ft from the charity event. In that car you can get up over 100mph in that distance. Plus, if you watch the video on CNN they show a pic of the skid marks. They show a very fast spin almost like a 180 in place. Once you spin that fast at high speed, recovery is unlikely.
