BMW X5
09-04-2016, 11:33 AM
#16
The thing about the E53 4.6is was that BMW had to have known it was too high strung for a lot of people, and they put it out there anyway - a beautiful thing that they don't do much anymore. AWD was exactly what moved me out of my E60 (a 545, actually) and into the F10. The 545 still had a few years left in it and was long since paid-for. A really bad decision. Snow tires are great; I should have stuck.
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09-04-2016, 04:09 PM
#17
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I HATED my E7x xDrive50 M Sport SO badly that I desperately wanted to use it for heavy weapons practice, (LAWS, .50 BMG, RPG etc) or give it to Ryan O'Neil for his remake of "The Driver" ....
I really really wanted to slam it repeatedly into something large and concrete until the f*cking thing was unrecognizable as a car... then UPS it back to the rednecks that "built" it.
I really really wanted to slam it repeatedly into something large and concrete until the f*cking thing was unrecognizable as a car... then UPS it back to the rednecks that "built" it.
09-05-2016, 12:17 PM
#18
I HATED my E7x xDrive50 M Sport SO badly that I desperately wanted to use it for heavy weapons practice, (LAWS, .50 BMG, RPG etc) or give it to Ryan O'Neil for his remake of "The Driver" ....
I really really wanted to slam it repeatedly into something large and concrete until the f*cking thing was unrecognizable as a car... then UPS it back to the rednecks that "built" it.
I really really wanted to slam it repeatedly into something large and concrete until the f*cking thing was unrecognizable as a car... then UPS it back to the rednecks that "built" it.
[it would help if you said something about why, along with your invective]
09-05-2016, 02:41 PM
#19
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quality interior trim that fell off repeatedly, doors that were so heavy they would not stay open on anything that was not completely level....
in short a worthless piece of **** worthy of a Chevy, GM or other domestic brand badge...
happy now?
09-05-2016, 08:51 PM
#20
^^ Interesting as we have had two X5's over past 7 years and they have been great. A 2010 X5M was flawless in 4 years with absolutely no issues and a 5.0 lease that is done in a couple of months had the issue with battery charging that seems to be a design issue with BMW charging batteries only while coasting. Both engines are super torquey and move the truck extremely well. The 6 speed transmission in M was not ideal as it would leave the car in high rpm range in highway driving and unnecessary poor gas mileage. The new 8 speed is excellent and more responsive than the unit in similar year Cayenne GTS I test drove. The car has been an excellent family hauler, I am surprised by Larry's reaction but once in a while someone gets a lemon...
09-05-2016, 11:15 PM
#21
**** transmission worthy of harbor tug, **** engine whiched cracked intake manifolds multiple times and threw misfire faults all the time, **** greensville quality interior trim that fell off repeatedly, doors that were so heavy they would not stay open on anything that was not completely level.... in short a worthless piece of **** worthy of a Chevy, GM or other domestic brand badge... happy now?
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09-07-2016, 02:04 PM
#22
Drifting
I am at the end of needing 3 rows. The eX5 has been OK, and an MDX before that, and an OOOO allroad before that. There is a Macan in my future. Maybe one more eX5 before college kids. Do have some issues with the pricing of Macan Vs Cayenne.
Your 3 X5's are still cheaper than a wife 2 or 3.
09-08-2016, 04:59 PM
#23
I have learned that my wife likes her car and I like my car.
If I got her the car that I like, it would be quickly traded at a loss, for what she wants.
So, she likes the eX5. The size, the drive, the seating position, and that I wash it and keep it clean.
We are nearing the end of three rows and car pooling. Perhaps a Cayene or Macan in in her future.
Used and 18" wheels. So curbs don't hit her.
If I got her the car that I like, it would be quickly traded at a loss, for what she wants.
So, she likes the eX5. The size, the drive, the seating position, and that I wash it and keep it clean.
We are nearing the end of three rows and car pooling. Perhaps a Cayene or Macan in in her future.
Used and 18" wheels. So curbs don't hit her.
09-14-2016, 01:12 AM
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I owned an E53 X5 for a very long time and have driven about a dozen other X5s. They're great, and let's face it, they made the segment for performance SUVs viable.
There is something odd about the chassis geometry. The weight distribution relative the the length of the wheelbase relative to the height of the vehicle, or something. It's all very correct but comes off a little high-strung, even bouncy by some standards. It doesn't bother me but I do notice it. My wife actively disliked my X5 because of it.
Mine was a 2001 model and had a mechanical sport suspension. Recently BMW has moved to active suspension damping, just like Porsche and many others. I'm not sure I like the outcome they are getting. Just last week I turned in a leased 5 series that had the Dynamic Handling Package, more or less BMW's equivalent of PASM. I never liked it; the "Comfort" mode felt completely disconnected and the "Sport" mode made the ride turn kind of flinty without improving the handling much. To be fair, BMW seriously s**t the bed on chassis dynamics in general with the F10 5 series model - it is the best Lexus BMW ever built. But it sounds something like you describe in the X5 you drove.
I still like X5s and it seems like they are usually a good value relative to Cayennes. In particular, their 6 cylinder base model has a much better executed engine than the base Cayenne, and the ZF 8-speed transmission in any X5 is superior to the Tiptronic in the Cayenne, though not superior to the PDK in the Macan. But, X5s do indeed have a slightly quirky ride.
There is something odd about the chassis geometry. The weight distribution relative the the length of the wheelbase relative to the height of the vehicle, or something. It's all very correct but comes off a little high-strung, even bouncy by some standards. It doesn't bother me but I do notice it. My wife actively disliked my X5 because of it.
Mine was a 2001 model and had a mechanical sport suspension. Recently BMW has moved to active suspension damping, just like Porsche and many others. I'm not sure I like the outcome they are getting. Just last week I turned in a leased 5 series that had the Dynamic Handling Package, more or less BMW's equivalent of PASM. I never liked it; the "Comfort" mode felt completely disconnected and the "Sport" mode made the ride turn kind of flinty without improving the handling much. To be fair, BMW seriously s**t the bed on chassis dynamics in general with the F10 5 series model - it is the best Lexus BMW ever built. But it sounds something like you describe in the X5 you drove.
I still like X5s and it seems like they are usually a good value relative to Cayennes. In particular, their 6 cylinder base model has a much better executed engine than the base Cayenne, and the ZF 8-speed transmission in any X5 is superior to the Tiptronic in the Cayenne, though not superior to the PDK in the Macan. But, X5s do indeed have a slightly quirky ride.
That is my opinion between Porsche and BMW.
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09-14-2016, 01:16 AM
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I owned an E53 X5 for a very long time and have driven about a dozen other X5s. They're great, and let's face it, they made the segment for performance SUVs viable.
There is something odd about the chassis geometry. The weight distribution relative the the length of the wheelbase relative to the height of the vehicle, or something. It's all very correct but comes off a little high-strung, even bouncy by some standards. It doesn't bother me but I do notice it. My wife actively disliked my X5 because of it.
Mine was a 2001 model and had a mechanical sport suspension. Recently BMW has moved to active suspension damping, just like Porsche and many others. I'm not sure I like the outcome they are getting. Just last week I turned in a leased 5 series that had the Dynamic Handling Package, more or less BMW's equivalent of PASM. I never liked it; the "Comfort" mode felt completely disconnected and the "Sport" mode made the ride turn kind of flinty without improving the handling much. To be fair, BMW seriously s**t the bed on chassis dynamics in general with the F10 5 series model - it is the best Lexus BMW ever built. But it sounds something like you describe in the X5 you drove.
I still like X5s and it seems like they are usually a good value relative to Cayennes. In particular, their 6 cylinder base model has a much better executed engine than the base Cayenne, and the ZF 8-speed transmission in any X5 is superior to the Tiptronic in the Cayenne, though not superior to the PDK in the Macan. But, X5s do indeed have a slightly quirky ride.
There is something odd about the chassis geometry. The weight distribution relative the the length of the wheelbase relative to the height of the vehicle, or something. It's all very correct but comes off a little high-strung, even bouncy by some standards. It doesn't bother me but I do notice it. My wife actively disliked my X5 because of it.
Mine was a 2001 model and had a mechanical sport suspension. Recently BMW has moved to active suspension damping, just like Porsche and many others. I'm not sure I like the outcome they are getting. Just last week I turned in a leased 5 series that had the Dynamic Handling Package, more or less BMW's equivalent of PASM. I never liked it; the "Comfort" mode felt completely disconnected and the "Sport" mode made the ride turn kind of flinty without improving the handling much. To be fair, BMW seriously s**t the bed on chassis dynamics in general with the F10 5 series model - it is the best Lexus BMW ever built. But it sounds something like you describe in the X5 you drove.
I still like X5s and it seems like they are usually a good value relative to Cayennes. In particular, their 6 cylinder base model has a much better executed engine than the base Cayenne, and the ZF 8-speed transmission in any X5 is superior to the Tiptronic in the Cayenne, though not superior to the PDK in the Macan. But, X5s do indeed have a slightly quirky ride.
That is my opinion between Porsche and BMW.