hf1

There used to be 20+ size fields in this class. IIRC this year's Limerock race had 4 cars in this class, and the the WGI race had 6. Where have all these cars gone?

fstockcarrera

Watch what happens when they split the class into supercup and Carrera cup GTC3 as I would bet there are more supercup spec cars than Carrera cup spec. Gearing is the main diff.

bgiere

We race NASA GTS4...perfect class for the 996 cup and lots of competition.

993PET

Bob:

Where did you hear that was going to happen?

JF

good hands

I could be wrong but I think a lot of them lost their way with staying stock. I know a couple locally that rebuilt to 3.8's or used upgraded pistons in rebuilds etc. I am taking my Brazil car back to stock but It ain't cheap. Car had a lot of minor cheater stuff like fiberglass fenders, no headlights, etc. When it was a big class didn't a lot of guys get busted for 3.8's ???

hf1

So Porsche Motorsports itself builds us a "spec-GT3" factory race car and PCA Club Racing destroys the class by lack of scrutineering and allowing cheating to go on unnoticed for years?

Can't believe guys have put in 3.8s and hoped to win unnoticed. When did this happen? Does anyone check any of this stuff at least with the multiple race winners, point leaders and contenders for national titles? And no one (racer, shop) has been outed and shamed for doing so yet? Spec Miata seems to be light-years ahead in this domain.

I had no idea.

/vent

good hands

Ha ! Nice try.



http://blackflag.jalopnik.com/so-man...lac-1645710255

Nizer

It's expensive to keep a Porsche spec car spec, especially as they get older.

hf1

I am well aware of this episode as I have friends racing in SM and actually had it in mind when I wrote that. Read about the details they go into when opening the engines and checking for tolerances inside. Plus, they found this group of racers/shops that have gone beyond a certain tolerance and they shamed them by stripping them of points/titles. That's what a racing body is supposed to do. Something tells me no one in their right mind would dare to put in a +0.2L engine in their SM and hope to win a race unnoticed.

hf1

Then change the spec to something more economical. How does SM still do it with cars from the 90's? I don't think this is the reason for the GTC3 class erosion. I'm starting to think it's the lack of scrutineering and the widespread cheating gone so wild that most cars have been irreversibly pushed out of spec over the years.

I also think there are too many classes in PCA club racing. You don't have to make a new class each time you catch a few people put in new gears or new coilovers in their cars. Either change/move the class to the new specs if most racers demand them or keep it the way it is and make those changes illegal. Who wants to race against only 2-3 other cars in a class?

MSR Racer

I have a stock 996 cup that is still PCA GTC3 spec. Engines can still be re-built to 3.6 spec. I spoke with PMNA before I purchased the car. Some shops have of course upgraded the engine to 3.8 and then it becomes a GTA1. There is still a pretty good field in the big races. 5 - 6 cars always.

GTgears

A sealed PMNA engine is not the cost effective approach to it. A monopoly on engine building is not the way to keep costs under control.

hf1

Then maybe allow anyone to rebuild them but allocate a scrutineering budget (funded through increased race fees) to cover the costs of opening random winners' engines and make sure internals are up to spec? (Or at least to put them on dynos.) I think this is what SCCA is doing with SM. Btw, no one should go into racing Porsche Cups and expect it to be "cheap".

How do you propose this gets resolved?

Nizer

Slow guys that want to feel llike fast guys

Exactly. Comparing Cup spec classes to Spec Miata is like comparing apples and toasters.

One is hostage to PMNA pricing, the other to the local want ad press.

Buy a Spec Boxster. There's a reason it's the fastest growing class in PCA.

hf1

So how is it checked/enforced there that no one has a +0.5L engine in the back?

Why couldn't the 996 Cup class use whatever the SpecBoxster class is apparently using to resolve this problem?