amelen

Any info or possible eta's on a GTS model?

P. Viby

Last info I got from dealer is 2 years from now. And it will most likely come with a smaller engine compared to the V8 4.8 liters today.

amelen

Interesting. The Macan GTS was a year behind the S/Turbo.

AndrewP

Typical launch for GTS versions is usually two years after new model introduction. Unfortunately, the next PGTS will probably be a turbo-charged 6 cylinder engine. My guess is that it will be tuned for 20 hp more than the P4S, so 460 hp. I am sure that the next PGTS will be distinctly different from the Panamera 4S in the usual ways (trim, options, special interior, etc.). On paper the 2017 P4S should perform in line with the 2014-16 PGTS, but given the essentially all-new design, the handling may be a bit better.

P. Viby

Funny - you say 2014-16 PGTS. Some say there are no difference in engine type on the earlier PGTS version and the later ones. They all have the same HP.

AndrewP

My 2013 PGTS had 430 bhp and my 2016 PGTS has 440 bhp. the 2017 P4S is rated at 440 bhp, although because it is turbo charged, it has more torque than the NA 4.8 liter engine in my 2016 PGTS.
Perhaps the European versions of the 2013 and 2014-16 PGTS were different than US versions, but aside from no diesel here the engines are basically the same.

P. Viby

You are right about the 430 vs 440 bhp, but some say the engine is exactly the same and there are no difference in real bhp. Porsche was just a little more conservative in the beginning. I should say, that I have only been driving the 2013 PGTS with 430 bhp.

AndrewP

Yes the 13 PGTS is quite rapid. I have not checked this, but my assumption was that there was a modest reprogramming of the engine on the '14 and later. I do not believe that there are mechanical differences. Yes, Porsche may have understated the output of the '13, as it is likely that they understate output across the line. Know that the engineers know precisely what the output is. I read a review a couple of years ago that found the '13 faster in a 0-60 run than the '14. I do not notice a distinct power difference with the '16, although the exhaust note is sharper and more resonant.

In any event, getting almost back to the topic the PGTS 4.8 liter V-8 is likely history, but a very good one.

umwolverine

I don't believe Porsche will market a GTS without the V8 for a number of reasons.

The Turbo has the V8, so the GTS will simply have the same basic engine without the turbo and with some additional tuning. I don't think there is any way they'll just increase the boost on a 4S 6 cylinder engine.

Second, one of the big draws of the GTS is that it is normally aspirated, again - not consistent with a turbo 6.

Finally, one of the biggest draws (for me) for the GTS was the exhaust sound. They went to great lengths to make the sport exhaust one of the best sounding of any stock car. I can't believe they would give this up as well.

Of course, I could be wrong... just hope not.

kgclark

No, the Macan S/Turbo were introduced MY2015, Macan GTS came in MY2017.