Mysterious damage to my OEM GT4 wheel .. any thoughts ?! [New Video uploaded]
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Wow, this is pretty alarming. I'm not sure what to do with the information given that Porsche denies anything in the manufacturing process. Sorry this happened to you, and I'll be looking at my wheels much more closely before and after track days from now on! I definitely use the curbs, too.
surprisingly it is the only wheel that had such damage. the rest were perfect. and I am also surprised that PORSCHE didn't took that matter seriously. they have replied without any physical inspection. btw, if this is their official reply, one day we may see "AVOID CURBS" in the user manual
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That is completely insane. I've never seen anything like it. Is there any bending on the inner side of the wheel lips where it meets the sidewall?
The center portion of the barrel has no physical contact with anything except air. When you hit something hard, the first thing to go would either be the tire sidewall or the lip of the wheel where the compression forces are the greatest.
Having just the barrel portion deform like that would tell me either a manufacturing defect or you were driving around with zero air pressure and hitting every curb for miles. And we know the second thing isn't possible!
If I was Porsche you would have a new wheel the next day while I get the engineers to examine that wheel with a fine tooth comb.
The center portion of the barrel has no physical contact with anything except air. When you hit something hard, the first thing to go would either be the tire sidewall or the lip of the wheel where the compression forces are the greatest.
Having just the barrel portion deform like that would tell me either a manufacturing defect or you were driving around with zero air pressure and hitting every curb for miles. And we know the second thing isn't possible!
If I was Porsche you would have a new wheel the next day while I get the engineers to examine that wheel with a fine tooth comb.
Good perspective buddy .. and I am certainly running the perfect tire pressure ,, I hold the lap time record of the 3 configurations of the circuit, my tires pressure is in between 28psi to 32 ... no less, no more ... and here is a video of my record lap (did it the same day which the wheel got defected wheel ) where you can see the way I drive and nothing weird I have done to be blamed.
thanks buddy
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EXACTLY !!! .. imagine that I have offered them taking the cost of sending the wheel to GERMANY to be inspected .. but they were fine with the photo and the video ... I wish if they really know that I am not chasing the warranty, but I feel like I'm part of PORSCHE family and I really wanted an answer of that weird incident !
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buddy it is ONLY bent from inside , middle of the barrel .. the rest of the wheel and tire are perfect .. and the other 3 wheels are perfect too.
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The bends appear to be almost evenly spaced between each spoke. Such a pattern can only be possible if you have a manufacturing/material defect. Also...if they say you hit something, where's the damage to the front wheel and in the same pattern?
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Damn.....I've heard of wave rotors but not wheels. This is definitely a manufacturing defect and hopefully someone comes to their senses and replaces this wheel for you.........Phil
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As a mechanical engineer I am thinking it is some type of deformation "mode" sort of like buckling of a column. I didn't watch the video more than once, but the deformed areas appeared to be regularly spaced. One problem with that theory is I don't understand how the tire could be loaded in such a way to cause that deformation pattern. It would seem to need a uniform loading/pressure to result in that. I would also expect that you would notice something happening when driving the car. It could be the result of an internal casting defect that somehow made its way through the system. Indeed this is a mystery!
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Looks like gator curbing with too low of tire pressure - are you sure you didn't accidentally run a pressure under 30 on track? I can see that happening if you were aggressive on sharp gators. It would explain the regularity/uniform spacing.
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+1. At speed, it would not take much for the sharp points to go into the center of the tire and hit the rim. The rear tire is wider than front, so easier to deform at a lower pressure than the front tire. Some days, I start my street tires at ~25 and need a couple of laps before the pressures rise.
The proof, would be on the underside of the tire opposite the dent... it would likely show some damage or other telltale sign on the inner tire wall where it contacted the wheel barrel.
And, to my eye... the dents are not spaced with respect to the wheel spokes... so unrelated to the spoke physics.
The proof, would be on the underside of the tire opposite the dent... it would likely show some damage or other telltale sign on the inner tire wall where it contacted the wheel barrel.
And, to my eye... the dents are not spaced with respect to the wheel spokes... so unrelated to the spoke physics.
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Good point buddy,
As I have mentioned, I run 28 ~ 32 psi hot .. I follow a warm up procedure to avoid spoiling tires, rotors, pads..etc ... on the other hand, the rear left wheel is the one which takes the Gator curbs (counter clockwise - inner circuit) and the most aggressive curbs .. I spend most of the time there in the inner circuit .. but it is perfect with no single bend.
everybody is running 26~30 psi in time attack events , we have never had such wheel damage .. 5 GT4 Owners there "abusing" the cars properly as a PORSCHE GT car .. and I may be the only one who never "shortcut" being the least aggressive amongst them. eventhough .. none of them had the same problem.
if something could be damaged, I expect that the priority should go to the wheels lips. but all is well.
Last edited by ASM_GT4; 03-21-2017 at 10:51 AM.