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08-15-2013, 08:16 AM
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Yeap, the old System 10 really shouldn't work very, very well with the Klipsch cabinets resultant of its hyper imaging component,,,, but it does from the set up I'd heard some decade ago. Go figure. Acoustic black magic at work.
Oh yeah,,, the clock on the Esoteric S50 is very, very good! You know your gear!
Oh yeah,,, the clock on the Esoteric S50 is very, very good! You know your gear!
08-15-2013, 08:43 AM
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Hey Mike,
Yes the imaging on the Tannoys is unreal. If you sit dead center the depth of field you get is second to none; you can hear stuff way, way far back in the background that other speakers simply don't reveal. Fantastic for mixing, that's for sure.
You have Dynaudio in the car? Wow you know your gear very well too! That sure wasn't stock! I have a Clarion DRZ9255 with the 4-way electronic crossover, 2 Tru-Tech Billet 4x100 power amps loaded with every imaginable upgrade (including Burr-Brown OPA627 op-amps, all the polypropylene caps etc.), and the full Dynaudio Esotar2 speaker set (2 1200 woofers, 2 650 mid-bass, 2 430 mids and 2 110 tweeters). Sitting in boxes now, shame, but ready to go in the next 911. Z-box made a custom fiberglass sub cabinet that went under the back seat and it was awesome. Absolutely zero legroom in the back after that (not that you have any to begin with)... You wanna sell me one of your 911s by the way? Just kidding...
Yes the imaging on the Tannoys is unreal. If you sit dead center the depth of field you get is second to none; you can hear stuff way, way far back in the background that other speakers simply don't reveal. Fantastic for mixing, that's for sure.
You have Dynaudio in the car? Wow you know your gear very well too! That sure wasn't stock! I have a Clarion DRZ9255 with the 4-way electronic crossover, 2 Tru-Tech Billet 4x100 power amps loaded with every imaginable upgrade (including Burr-Brown OPA627 op-amps, all the polypropylene caps etc.), and the full Dynaudio Esotar2 speaker set (2 1200 woofers, 2 650 mid-bass, 2 430 mids and 2 110 tweeters). Sitting in boxes now, shame, but ready to go in the next 911. Z-box made a custom fiberglass sub cabinet that went under the back seat and it was awesome. Absolutely zero legroom in the back after that (not that you have any to begin with)... You wanna sell me one of your 911s by the way? Just kidding...
08-15-2013, 08:52 PM
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A man after my own heart ! The Esotar 2 Dynaudio drivers are "tier one" in terms of car audio drivers and it doesn't stop there,,, hot rodded Tru-Billet are on anyone's wish list of car audio amps. Dam.
For the 993 I went with door mounted 7" mid-bass from the lesser more modestly priced Esotec Dynaudio series, a OEM VW version of the MD130 Dyn (3" dome mid) and the Dyn MD102 tweeters. The Pioneer P99RS FM/CD radio coupled with their A900 amplifiers and fabricated wiring looms (Mogami) completes the equipment list; a fully active system arrangement.
There's a guy from the UK who has constructed a "sub" located under the 993s dashboard on the passenger side.. What the die hard car audio guys will do.
A man after my own heart ! The Esotar 2 Dynaudio drivers are "tier one" in terms of car audio drivers and it doesn't stop there,,, hot rodded Tru-Billet are on anyone's wish list of car audio amps. Dam.
For the 993 I went with door mounted 7" mid-bass from the lesser more modestly priced Esotec Dynaudio series, a OEM VW version of the MD130 Dyn (3" dome mid) and the Dyn MD102 tweeters. The Pioneer P99RS FM/CD radio coupled with their A900 amplifiers and fabricated wiring looms (Mogami) completes the equipment list; a fully active system arrangement.
There's a guy from the UK who has constructed a "sub" located under the 993s dashboard on the passenger side.. What the die hard car audio guys will do.
08-15-2013, 11:59 PM
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Thanks Mike! If I were you I'd put the woofers on the back deck behind the rear seats (if they'll fit, I know 6 1/2s do), they'll be a much more solid and less resonant mount than in the doors, unless you've got a motherlode of damping material in there. Under the dash for a sub sounds dicey too, there's too much to vibrate in the dash. In my build they took out the back seats, put the sub enclosure in, then remounted the factory cushions on and recarpeted it, so besides the 3" of legroom that was left (the rear seats are virtually unusable anyway), it looked stock and nobody knew they were there. The Blaupunkt head unit at the time was removable, so you couldn't see anything. The sunroof acted as a port and the bass was phenomenal. Of course all the rest of the gear went under the front hood. Back in the late 80s I didn't have Dyns either, but I know it will all fit nicely. So that's the plan for the next build, mids and tweeters in the door, midbass on the back deck and subs under the rear seats. With all the time-alignment, EQ and crossover point choices in the head unit, it will be great. I still have a pair of MD102s that I used in the last car (a Mits EVO X) because those 110 tweeters have such huge magnets they wouldn't fit anywhere in that car.
Sorry all for being so far off topic!
Sorry all for being so far off topic!
11-05-2013, 05:55 PM
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I don't have any heratige Klipsch, but know a little about them. I have read the book and been to both Klipsch museums in Hope.
11-05-2013, 08:30 PM
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Belle Klipsch is okay, but it's not the same midrange driver, only 100dB/1W/1m instead of 104. It's a shorter horn. La Scala is ideal, but the Belle is a close enough second. Nice cars Bart.
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11-10-2013, 12:34 PM
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Klipsch made his name back in a time when amplifiers of more than a few watts were rare, and even those few were capable of more than say 10W for brief peaks. Modern stringent standards of RMS continuous were undreamed of back then. In that environment, a pair of Klipschorns, with their 106dB/1watt full range output was not only state of the art, but for lots of music lovers the only hope of achieving satisfying levels of good quality sound in their homes. Times change. The state of the art has long since moved on from efficiency, to todays goal of recreating a 3D soundstage with perfectly palpable presence. Klipsch has not advanced towards that goal. Its as simple as that.
05-18-2014, 04:10 PM
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OP. wondering you resolved this- how about a Klipsch Heresy for the center. Same tonal shape and efficiency was / is excellent. I have KG 4's in my home office- still love em.
05-19-2014, 03:18 PM
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http://www.crutchfield.com/p_714RC64...ck.html?tp=189
x2 on above - why not another horn as the center?
x2 on above - why not another horn as the center?
05-21-2014, 12:53 PM
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+1 .... Well said.
"Dynamic's" wins every time ....
"Dynamic's" wins every time ....
I could not disagree more. Nothing sounds deader to me than mondo SS arc-welder amps driving hopelessly insensitive cones 'n domes or 'stats. Like a wet blanket was thrown over the speaker baffles.
On the other hand, my full-range 107dB horns (with active/EQ'd cone subs below 170Hz) can bring the thunder with 18 SET watts per channel - and have superb detail, tonal accuracy and "palpable presence" to beat the band.
I see soundstaging as a nice parlor trick, and my rig does it fairly well, but what separates live music from reproduced sound - to my ears - is that ineffable sense of the music breathing, with unfettered micro- and macrodynamic ease. And high sensitivity speakers coupled with Class A, no feedback amplification deliver that best.
On the other hand, my full-range 107dB horns (with active/EQ'd cone subs below 170Hz) can bring the thunder with 18 SET watts per channel - and have superb detail, tonal accuracy and "palpable presence" to beat the band.
I see soundstaging as a nice parlor trick, and my rig does it fairly well, but what separates live music from reproduced sound - to my ears - is that ineffable sense of the music breathing, with unfettered micro- and macrodynamic ease. And high sensitivity speakers coupled with Class A, no feedback amplification deliver that best.