PCCB Owners - Steel or not
03-07-2017, 05:11 PM
#1
Racer
Thread Starter
PCCB Owners - Steel or not
Hi All,
This weekend I was able to pickup a 2007 Turbo. I wasn't really looking for a car with PCCB due to potential maintenance cost nightmares, but this car came with the option.
I'm doing an overall maintenance plan for the car and wanted to see everyone's thoughts. The car will not be seeing track time and it is a weekend cruiser/canyon carver. I do not consider myself an aggressive driver either but do like to do some highway WOT pulls.
With that said, I know the cost per rotor is around $5,000, obviously something that would scare most sane people. The fronts have 6MM left and the rears 7MM and from my research, everyone says to replace the pads at around 50% usage to ensure the conditions of the rotors. If that is the case, I believe I am at that time (13MM pad right?)
When I priced out the pads, I'm looking at around $1,100 in parts for OEM pad replacement from SunCoast Porsche (front, rears and pad sensors)
Now with that in mind, I have a few questions
1. Once I replace the pads, with the type of driving based upon the above, how many miles do you think I can get on a set of pads until they reach 50% again?
2. A lot of people have said to convert to steel rotors and either sell the ceramic rotors or just keep them on the shelf. If converting, what is the "go to" setup? I'm assuming you just change out the rotor and different pads while keeping the caliper?
Thanks all!
This weekend I was able to pickup a 2007 Turbo. I wasn't really looking for a car with PCCB due to potential maintenance cost nightmares, but this car came with the option.
I'm doing an overall maintenance plan for the car and wanted to see everyone's thoughts. The car will not be seeing track time and it is a weekend cruiser/canyon carver. I do not consider myself an aggressive driver either but do like to do some highway WOT pulls.
With that said, I know the cost per rotor is around $5,000, obviously something that would scare most sane people. The fronts have 6MM left and the rears 7MM and from my research, everyone says to replace the pads at around 50% usage to ensure the conditions of the rotors. If that is the case, I believe I am at that time (13MM pad right?)
When I priced out the pads, I'm looking at around $1,100 in parts for OEM pad replacement from SunCoast Porsche (front, rears and pad sensors)
Now with that in mind, I have a few questions
1. Once I replace the pads, with the type of driving based upon the above, how many miles do you think I can get on a set of pads until they reach 50% again?
2. A lot of people have said to convert to steel rotors and either sell the ceramic rotors or just keep them on the shelf. If converting, what is the "go to" setup? I'm assuming you just change out the rotor and different pads while keeping the caliper?
Thanks all!
03-07-2017, 05:47 PM
#2
Rennlist Member
Arent you in NorCal? The same parts from Sonnen Porsche are $925 and depending on where you are, you might even be able to pick up locally in Mill Valley and save shipping cost.. Just an option..
03-07-2017, 07:23 PM
#3
Pro
HardHitter, How many miles on your turbo? I realize your driving style going forward might be different than the OP, but it would give you an indication. My 09 has 34K and I'm not ready to replace my pads yet. I'll get another read on that during my annual service which is coming up soon. Regardless of that I've come to learn that with proper care (i.e. no ham handed track time, and no letting the pads get too thin) the discs will last the life of the car. Beyond potential costs though there are some other things to consider. First, the PCCB's have unbelievable feel and pedal response, second, very little brake dust, third much reduced unsprung weight complementing ride and handling and finally they just look so cool. I haven't experienced any brake squeek either. I was ambivalent about PCCB's during my search too, but now that I have spent time with them I wouldn't have a TT without them. My advice, replace the pads, keep an eye on wear and enjoy the car. BTW, I think you have to change everything going to steel, including the calipers.
03-07-2017, 07:27 PM
#4
Racer
Thread Starter
HardHitter, How many miles on your turbo? I realize your driving style going forward might be different than the OP, but it would give you an indication. My 09 has 34K and I'm not ready to replace my pads yet. I'll get another read on that during my annual service which is coming up soon. Regardless of that I've come to learn that with proper care (i.e. no ham handed track time, and no letting the pads get too thin) the discs will last the life of the car. Beyond potential costs though there are some other things to consider. First, the PCCB's have unbelievable feel and pedal response, second, very little brake dust, third much reduced unsprung weight complementing ride and handling and finally they just look so cool. I haven't experienced any brake squeek either. I was ambivalent about PCCB's during my search too, but now that I have spent time with them I wouldn't have a TT without them. My advice, replace the pads, keep an eye on wear and enjoy the car.
03-08-2017, 01:39 AM
#5
Racer
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03-08-2017, 04:15 AM
#8
Drifting
1) Sonnen has the best prices if you use their online webpage.
2) if no track, pccb.
That simple. Even if you do track replace w/ irons and have pccb handy.
I have my cars oem PCCB packed. Irons on car. I have the "better" uprights/ brake system.
That alone is worth getting a car w/ PCCB.
2) if no track, pccb.
That simple. Even if you do track replace w/ irons and have pccb handy.
I have my cars oem PCCB packed. Irons on car. I have the "better" uprights/ brake system.
That alone is worth getting a car w/ PCCB.
03-08-2017, 11:27 AM
#10
Racer
Thread Starter
1) Sonnen has the best prices if you use their online webpage.
2) if no track, pccb.
That simple. Even if you do track replace w/ irons and have pccb handy.
I have my cars oem PCCB packed. Irons on car. I have the "better" uprights/ brake system.
That alone is worth getting a car w/ PCCB.
2) if no track, pccb.
That simple. Even if you do track replace w/ irons and have pccb handy.
I have my cars oem PCCB packed. Irons on car. I have the "better" uprights/ brake system.
That alone is worth getting a car w/ PCCB.
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03-08-2017, 12:48 PM
#11
Race Director
at 50% pad life, you shouldn't need to replace the wear sensors. Just remove from old and clip on new.
That said, if you plan to replace at 50% anyway, just remove the sensors and tie them up somewhere. They won't be helpful to you.
That said, if you plan to replace at 50% anyway, just remove the sensors and tie them up somewhere. They won't be helpful to you.
03-08-2017, 01:09 PM
#12
+1 on Bryon550's review.......I felt the same but am very happy with the PCCB's.
As said above - very sensitive on initial pedal engagement, much more than steel. It took me 2+ weeks to adapt, but now that I have, the pedal feel and other ++ attributes are unbelievable.
Now that I have the $10k+ option, it's hard to understand that cars without this option don't reflect a price difference.
All that said, I have had the steel for many years on my 996TT and they are great too. But I'm looking forward to less brake maintenance and dust free is a big deal too.
As said above - very sensitive on initial pedal engagement, much more than steel. It took me 2+ weeks to adapt, but now that I have, the pedal feel and other ++ attributes are unbelievable.
Now that I have the $10k+ option, it's hard to understand that cars without this option don't reflect a price difference.
All that said, I have had the steel for many years on my 996TT and they are great too. But I'm looking forward to less brake maintenance and dust free is a big deal too.
03-08-2017, 03:25 PM
#13
Rennlist Member
Bryon550 and MK19 are spot on. I have PCCBs on my 09TT and drove my friends 09TT back to back and I can assure you there is a difference in driving dynamics and bite. I also have a friend that tracks his 997.2 GT3RS and he couldn't believe how much bite the PCCBs have. Another guy I know traded in his 991 Turbo or Boxster? and bought the same one but equipped with with PCCBs... "I will never buy another Porsche without PCCBs, ever" were his words.
Leave the PCCBs on, keep an eye on the pads and rotate them once in a while as I've found they wear at an angle.
Leave the PCCBs on, keep an eye on the pads and rotate them once in a while as I've found they wear at an angle.
03-09-2017, 12:18 AM
#15
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To me, it would be insane to remove your PCCB's since brake dust is nil with them. For that reason alone, I would ONLY want a car with them now if it was an option I could easily get on it. PCCB's RULE! Just drive drive your car w/them, be grateful you have them and laugh at the poor saps having to clean their wheels every other day who don't have them 
).
And that was said tongue in cheek, folks.
).And that was said tongue in cheek, folks.