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For those ending up at the end of this very informative thread, here's the summary of the great work done on the coupe (cab summary elsewhere in the thread) by EDEZTT;
In a separate thread, I used statistics on the VIN taken from US cars for sale on Autotrader/eBay to determine the production numbers for 997 turbos, which remains in progress. The 997.1 coupe analysis is now complete and below are a summary of the production numbers including those with MT, the most popular exterior and interior colors as well as the states that have the most 997.1 coupes for sale. Enjoy!
2007 Coupe
Number built with US VIN >/= 3,651
Percent MT/Tip = 67%/33%
Number built with MT >/= 2,434
Start of the Great Recession December 2007
2008 Coupe
Number built with US VIN >/= 1,248
Percent MT/Tip = 50%/50%
Number built with MT >/= 624
2009 Coupe
Number built with US VIN >/= 583
Percent MT/Tip = 39%/61%
Number built with MT >/= 226
All 2007 - 2009 Coupes
Number built with US VIN >/= 5,483
Percent MT/Tip = 60%/40%
Number built with MT >/= 3,284
Most Popular Exterior Colors of the 2007 - 2009 Coupes
Black 36%
Silver 24%
Gray 12%
White 10%
Followed by Blue (7%), Red (6%), Yellow (2%) and Orange (1%)
Note: I didn't break down the different shades of the colors shown above
Most Popular Interior Colors of the 2007 - 2009 Coupes
Black 64%
Beige 17%
Followed by Gray (6%), Red (5%), Cocoa (4%) and Terra-Cotta (2%)
Where to find 997.1 turbos for sale?
CA 28%
FL 20%
TX 8%
IL 5%
TN 5%
AZ 3%
MO 3%
Followed by 2% each
WA, OH, OR and SC
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Pulling forward more of ED's great analysis including data on Cabs, It's all in the tread if you scan it.
Coupe Analysis
2007 Coupe (No Cab this model year)
Number built with US VIN >/= 3,651
Percent MT/Tip = 67%/33%
Number built with MT >/= 2,434
n=30 (Analysis Complete)
Note: One car for sale with over 200,000 miles!
2008 Coupe
Number built with US VIN >/= 1,248
Percent MT/Tip = 50%/50%
Number built with MT >/= 624
n=30 (Analysis Complete)
2009 Coupe
Number built with US VIN >/= 583
Percent MT/Tip = 39%/61%
Number built with MT >/= 226
n=31 (Analysis Complete)
2011 Coupe
Number built with US VIN >/= 791
Percent S = 50% (Turbo S model not available in 2007-2009 model years)
Percent MT/PDK = 10%/90% (PDK only available transmission on the Turbo S)
Number built with MT >/= 79
n=10 (Analysis In Progress)
2012 Coupe
Number built with US VIN >/= 662
Percent S = 70% (Turbo S model not available in 2007-2009 model years)
Percent MT/PDK = 13%/87% (PDK only available transmission on the Turbo S)
Number built with MT >/= 88
n=30 (Analysis Complete)
Cabriolet Analysis
2008 Cab
Number built with US VIN >/= 2,681
Percent MT/Tip = 43%/57%
Number built with MT >/= 1,162
n=30 (Analysis Complete)
2009 Cab
Number built with US VIN >/= 706
Percent MT/Tip = 35%/65%
Number built with MT >/= 248
n=37 (Analysis Complete)
2012 Cab
Number built with US VIN >/= 520
Percent S = 53% (Turbo S model not available in 2008-2009 model years)
Percent MT/PDK = 17%/83% (PDK only available transmission on the Turbo S)
Number built with MT >/= 87
n=30 (Analysis Complete)
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My 2009 TT CAB MT Ruby Red Metallic must be rare. I've never heard or seen another one.
Intersport in McLean, VA has a very rare Ruby Red 6MT coupe for sale. You may want to check it out, it's nice except the brakes are no longer PCCB's, they were converted to steel if I recall previous threads.
Intersport in McLean, VA has a very rare Ruby Red 6MT coupe for sale. You may want to check it out, it's nice except the brakes are no longer PCCB's, they were converted to steel if I recall previous threads.
Jeez, that one's still around? I remember a dealer in Florida trying to sell it last May or June, and I think it was determined that it was bought at an auction just a few months before that.
Intersport in McLean, VA has a very rare Ruby Red 6MT coupe for sale. You may want to check it out, it's nice except the brakes are no longer PCCB's, they were converted to steel if I recall previous threads.
Thanks. I like mine better That wing is ugly and so is the interior ruby red tunnel. Sport seats are nice but I understand the PCCB change.
Still, $88K for 33,000 miles? Seems high. No wonder it hasn't sold.
Jeez, that one's still around? I remember a dealer in Florida trying to sell it last May or June, and I think it was determined that it was bought at an auction just a few months before that.
Good memory, you're correct. It was for sale for quite awhile in FL and I think the last asking price was $75'ish. Then it disappeared and resurfaced here in VA. Intersport originally priced it at $98K and it's been dropping ever since. I've watched it for several months because I like the color, Aerokit, seats and a few other options so I may go look at it soon since it's local.
I appreciate the limitedness of the 2009 Mezger Engine turbo... but what's bothering me is the 2009 is exactly the same as the 2007 and 2008 Turbos, so it would take a lot of obsessive, detail-orientated collectors to drive the prices of the 09 Mezgers up.
(data used from attached image):
Look at the 993 turbos -- 96 and 97 are all pricey because the total world-wide production was 6000 cars.
Yet they made 19,201 2007-09 Turbos -- all the exact same car!
At this point, my money is on the 2010-2013 Gen II 997 Turbos, with the manual transmission. Total production was 3800 cars world wide - almost as if Porsche gave the total production number a collectable-attribute by making it 3800 to match the 3.8 liter DFI engine.
I think the Mezger is to be appreciated for its history and pedigree, however the engine and transmission are the essence of the whole car... color combinations and years can only have so much of an effect on the value as the essence of the car is no different.
Whereas the 997.2 Turbos with manual transmission offer a rarity in the essence of the car, the last manual DFI turbo 3.8.
What would be interesting to consider is the difference between the 3.8 Mezger and 3.8 DFI motors mechanically, how different are they really? Is the Mezger a better performing motor? It can be modded to higher HP so maybe its a lot stronger...also how easy is it (if possible) to convert a DFI to a mezger.. totally different block? Also, the future of displacement and direct injection will matter.
It comes down to the last Porsche 911 Turbo Mezger Engine vs. the last Porsche 911 Turbo Manual. The latter has an advantage of holistic production numbers, the former has an advantage of an additional discontinued feature.
I'm not trying to knock anyones cars or opinions, I don't own either a 997.1 or 997.2 Turbo... I am trying to play devils advocate and create a discussion to help determine which would be the best buy for the future -- because these cars WILL appreciate, the question is which one will REALLY appreciate. Either 997.1 or 997.2 will diverge in value, and one will appreciate higher. Some people may knock my emphasis future appreciation, but in my mind that makes collecting these cars even more fun.
When doing your figuring, don't forget to factor in coupe + 6mt. A lot of collectors and enthusiasts will have absolutely zero interest in all the convertibles, tips, and even PDKs. Those attributes bring the "effective" production number down a fair bit, in my opinion, at least with how it will relate to collectibility down the road. "All the exact same car" isn't quite accurate.
When doing your figuring, don't forget to factor in coupe + 6mt. A lot of collectors and enthusiasts will have absolutely zero interest in all the convertibles, tips, and even PDKs. Those attributes bring the "effective" production number down a fair bit, in my opinion, at least with how it will relate to collectibility down the road. "All the exact same car" isn't quite accurate.
That is totally true... but I'm looking at all of the numbers holistically... the same applies to the 3,800 MkII Turbos, you know?
Those are world wide numbers, all configurations. As noted, when you pare down the cabs and tips out and only look at US cars, only about 3200 or so cars. That number is very comparable to 993 turbo numbers (US about 3300). As Skwerl noted, nobody's going to care about tips, cabs and pdks at least as far as collectibility goes. It's gotta be a Mezger 3.6 ( didn't make a 3.8) manual coupe.
Of those 3800 997.2 turbos, I bet less than 25% were manuals. That will give them some interest collectability wise I would think.
I've got a 997.1 tip coupe, has done 136k km's, and is in generic silver over black. Almost the least collectible of the lot. I'm glad, as it means I get to drive it often with little concern about depreciation. This is helped by the fact that I bought it at the bottom of the depreciation curve (as it stands, that may change).
Agree that having a potentially appreciating asset that you can play with is great, but don't get too hung up on the potential future value, as it will likely hinder your ability to enjoy it for what it is - a ridiculously fun car to drive.
I've got a 997.1 tip coupe, has done 136k km's, and is in generic silver over black. Almost the least collectible of the lot. I'm glad, as it means I get to drive it often with little concern about depreciation. This is helped by the fact that I bought it at the bottom of the depreciation curve (as it stands, that may change).
Agree that having a potentially appreciating asset that you can play with is great, but don't get too hung up on the potential future value, as it will likely hinder your ability to enjoy it for what it is - a ridiculously fun car to drive.
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When I read about the future values of these cars, it makes me consider leaving it in the garage today.... It's not going to happen though .
02-03-2017, 12:09 PM
That wing is ugly and so is the interior ruby red tunnel. Sport seats are nice but I understand the PCCB change. 
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