Thoughts on going 997 GT3 to 991 GTS?
10-30-2014, 08:20 PM
#16
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So he again ends up with three 911s except now he replaces the new one (c4s) with a newer, and more expensive one (gts)? Sort of completely opposite of OP's goal to cut down, simplify, and keep wife happy while allocating $$ to a new business.
Getting rid of the c4s on leasetrader is both the best and financially soundest option.
Getting rid of the c4s on leasetrader is both the best and financially soundest option.
10-30-2014, 08:41 PM
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10-30-2014, 08:59 PM
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10-30-2014, 09:50 PM
#20
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Thanks all for the thoughts. Some great points about the GT3's safety equipment-I have buckets, harnesses, cage, HANS-and wouldn't want to lose the safety factor.
A lot to think about here. I think at a bare minimum I could lose the truck and drive to the track...
A lot to think about here. I think at a bare minimum I could lose the truck and drive to the track...
10-30-2014, 09:51 PM
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10-30-2014, 10:15 PM
#22
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Sure, ride it out if it's close to expiration but not worth keeping it if it has many years left to go, IMO. Couple of years ago I had a good friend take over a lease on a nice BMW 3-series through leasetrader on very good terms. Still driving it. Not sure what's there to be nervous about. The papers and lease transfer to the other person completely. Everybody wins.
10-30-2014, 10:57 PM
#23
If you are in Baltimore you can drive to Summit Point, NJMP, Pocono and maybe the Glen in the GT3 with no problems. So keep it. Sell the truck and drop the C4S when the lease is up, and buy a Golf R or BMW 2 series for winters and the back seat. Only problem is the DD is not nearly as nice. BTW, you didn't say what your wife was driving.
10-30-2014, 11:00 PM
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10-30-2014, 11:36 PM
#26
Another option is to liquidate the porsches and get an M3. Great multi-duty, but you would be ceeding passion to practicality, which is probably prudent for the choice you are about to make.
10-30-2014, 11:37 PM
#27
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Keep the 7 GT3.
Sell everything else.
Pull forward into a 991 GT3. ( at the end of the day it's not much more money than a heavy optioned GTS)
The GTS isn't going to feel leaps and bounds faster than your 4S. Go drive a PowerKit car now to see if you can tell or care.
Go to the Sketchers store and tell the kids to walk.
Sell everything else.
Pull forward into a 991 GT3. ( at the end of the day it's not much more money than a heavy optioned GTS)
The GTS isn't going to feel leaps and bounds faster than your 4S. Go drive a PowerKit car now to see if you can tell or care.
Go to the Sketchers store and tell the kids to walk.
10-31-2014, 12:10 AM
#28
Sell them all, drive the C4S until the lease is up, get a practical four door family car.
Plow back the money into your new business, annihilate the competition, buy new GT3 when you are ready to play.
Nothing wrong with pushing the reset button with your career while pressing pause on the toys to help facilitate.
Plow back the money into your new business, annihilate the competition, buy new GT3 when you are ready to play.
Nothing wrong with pushing the reset button with your career while pressing pause on the toys to help facilitate.
10-31-2014, 06:58 AM
#29
I break cars into four categories
-Track Car
-Special/Exotic Car
-Daily Driver
-Classic/nostalgia
I am a huge fan of the 911 GTS for the same reason you are I think. Its Porsche jack of all trades sports car and does all of the above very well. If you had to have one car and it had to be a sports car, this would be it. And it's a 911 which is a classic iconic design.
However with the GTS car you can't put in the track safety gear if you want the rear seats; might as well go 991 GT3 at that point. It's not nearly as special as a GT3 either. And as a daily driver the practicality is only great despite it being a sports car. Rear seats are tiny, frunk isn't as good as a trunk w/ fold down seats and as people have mentioned, high, high depreciation. And for the nostalgia factor, not nearly as much as a water cooled 911.
Jack of all trades, master of none. But if it had to be only 1 car then the 911 GTS would be it. A F80 M3 would be even better in terms of practicality with a much lower cost.
If the wife will okay more than 1 car I'd:
-Keep GT3, special/exotic, a current classic, low depreciation and track ready. As much as I love the GTS, the GT3 beats the GTS hands down by these measures.
-Dump 991 C4->lightly optioned F80 M3 lease for DD, way better DD than GTS and MSRP is 30-50% cheaper if you don't go crazy on options. Better gas mileage, lower insurance costs and lower maintenance costs. Way more low end torque. Again the GTS loses handily to the M3 by measures of practicality and cost while still being quite fun to drive.
-Sell truck, money recouped and reduced overhead.
-Sell old 911, and not only get money back but save a ton of time/energy on the research and labor needed to perform a restoration. With the saved time and energy you can direct it toward your new business which if successful I'm sure will finance a 911 restoration later on no problem.
That's four vehicles down to two cars that would hit all your goals. Two cars is only 1 more the the minimum right?
I'd have a hard time not trying to justify the old 911 as a project to tinker with though.
-Track Car
-Special/Exotic Car
-Daily Driver
-Classic/nostalgia
I am a huge fan of the 911 GTS for the same reason you are I think. Its Porsche jack of all trades sports car and does all of the above very well. If you had to have one car and it had to be a sports car, this would be it. And it's a 911 which is a classic iconic design.
However with the GTS car you can't put in the track safety gear if you want the rear seats; might as well go 991 GT3 at that point. It's not nearly as special as a GT3 either. And as a daily driver the practicality is only great despite it being a sports car. Rear seats are tiny, frunk isn't as good as a trunk w/ fold down seats and as people have mentioned, high, high depreciation. And for the nostalgia factor, not nearly as much as a water cooled 911.
Jack of all trades, master of none. But if it had to be only 1 car then the 911 GTS would be it. A F80 M3 would be even better in terms of practicality with a much lower cost.
If the wife will okay more than 1 car I'd:
-Keep GT3, special/exotic, a current classic, low depreciation and track ready. As much as I love the GTS, the GT3 beats the GTS hands down by these measures.
-Dump 991 C4->lightly optioned F80 M3 lease for DD, way better DD than GTS and MSRP is 30-50% cheaper if you don't go crazy on options. Better gas mileage, lower insurance costs and lower maintenance costs. Way more low end torque. Again the GTS loses handily to the M3 by measures of practicality and cost while still being quite fun to drive.
-Sell truck, money recouped and reduced overhead.
-Sell old 911, and not only get money back but save a ton of time/energy on the research and labor needed to perform a restoration. With the saved time and energy you can direct it toward your new business which if successful I'm sure will finance a 911 restoration later on no problem.
That's four vehicles down to two cars that would hit all your goals. Two cars is only 1 more the the minimum right?
I'd have a hard time not trying to justify the old 911 as a project to tinker with though.
10-31-2014, 08:33 AM
#30
I am a huge fan of the 911 GTS for the same reason you are I think. Its Porsche jack of all trades sports car and does all of the above very well. If you had to have one car and it had to be a sports car, this would be it. And it's a 911 which is a classic iconic design.
However with the GTS car you can't put in the track safety gear if you want the rear seats; might as well go 991 GT3 at that point. It's not nearly as special as a GT3 either. And as a daily driver the practicality is only great despite it being a sports car. Rear seats are tiny, frunk isn't as good as a trunk w/ fold down seats and as people have mentioned, high, high depreciation. And for the nostalgia factor, not nearly as much as a water cooled 911.
Jack of all trades, master of none. But if it had to be only 1 car then the 911 GTS would be it. A F80 M3 would be even better in terms of practicality with a much lower cost.