Will 997 gt3 prices fall further as a result of this news ?
01-19-2017, 09:25 PM
#17
Burning Brakes
The 996 GT3 was a real race car for the street
The 997 GT3s are a great evolution of that platform, but are more street oriented, heavier and have stuff you don't need on the track (if you are an experienced track pilot)
The 991 GT3 is a mystery to me. Unproven motor, electronic everything, autmatic trans. I like to DRIVE my cars. The only guys I see in these are poseurs at cars/coffee who don't even know what a good lap time at laguna is for their cars (don't flame, I am generalizing guys)
Given this trend and the quotes from Porsche when releasing the heavy, over technologied 918 I would be very surprised if Porsche will really take a step "back" (their POV) to what drivers like me want
I want a 911R type of car without the stoopid price. That car would sell like hot cakes if it were priced above a GTS and not limited.
The 997 GT3s are a great evolution of that platform, but are more street oriented, heavier and have stuff you don't need on the track (if you are an experienced track pilot)
The 991 GT3 is a mystery to me. Unproven motor, electronic everything, autmatic trans. I like to DRIVE my cars. The only guys I see in these are poseurs at cars/coffee who don't even know what a good lap time at laguna is for their cars (don't flame, I am generalizing guys)
Given this trend and the quotes from Porsche when releasing the heavy, over technologied 918 I would be very surprised if Porsche will really take a step "back" (their POV) to what drivers like me want
I want a 911R type of car without the stoopid price. That car would sell like hot cakes if it were priced above a GTS and not limited.
01-20-2017, 05:22 PM
#19
We'll wait and see, there is a possibility of that with the new 991.2 coming with MT. The 997 GT3's will no longer be the last of the MT GT3's. I wouldn't be surprised if it does drop down to the 70's.
01-21-2017, 12:33 PM
#21
That's right where my budget is for car I want to autocross track etc .l.
I've been looking to replace my 997.2 4s with a 991.14s for months with no luck.
I can't find one with spasm (Pdcc really want) sport chrono package. Seems people order these and don't click the performance options..
It's like trying to find a GTS with spasm clicked with sport chrono plus option.. extremely rare.
I do not want PCcb
01-21-2017, 12:45 PM
#22
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New 3 sounds great. Might be worthwhile buying new and opting for Euro delivery. Sadly, I don't think it will have much affect on 997 GT3 values.
11-19-2017, 11:33 AM
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What do you guys think, still room/time for 997 gt3 prices to drop?
i figure with 991.2 gt3 manuals being delivered there might be more movement over the next few months. Also could be more 997s hitting the market increasing supply.
i figure with 991.2 gt3 manuals being delivered there might be more movement over the next few months. Also could be more 997s hitting the market increasing supply.
11-19-2017, 11:45 AM
#25
Three Wheelin'
I do see 997 GT3 prices continuing to come down a bit. I think it'll be 5 years more before they start to hit the low point. The blistering quickness of the new 991.2 cars makes a hard argument for 991.1 GT3 and also 997.2 GT3. I have been planning to buy a 991.1 GT3 for years, but I certainly wouldn't pay more for a 991.1 GT3 than I would a 991.2 GTS. When I'm ready to pick up one of these in a few years I'll most likely just get the 991.2 GTS and completely scrap the idea of 991.1 or 997 GT3.
11-19-2017, 12:23 PM
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Will GT3 prices continue to fall? Yes. Will it be because of the 991.2 GT3? No. Does it matter? Absolutely not, because the 997 GT3 is an incredible car whether you pay $80k, $90k, $100k...
11-19-2017, 10:59 PM
#27
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When I was cross shopping Porsches back in late summer of 2012 the dealer I was at had a 17k mile white 997.1 GT3 for $76k. That was over 5 years ago. So there's definitely room to go low. With that said, I think the GT3 is one of the most overrated cars (For the street). After a very lengthy test drive (plus seat time in my buddies identical GT3 at the time) I ended up not buying it. Blasphemy, I know. But this was the only car on my radar for years. The power is non-existent until 5k. Front end also felt light and not planted. Rough ride with very dated interior and lots of rattles from the interior pieces. You have to ring it's neck to even have fun with it. Gutless below 4.5-5k. It does not feel fast. My 997.2 C2S is far more enjoyable. More useable power, without driving like an asshat. Even then, the GT3 definitely does not live up to the hype. It's a $60-65k car at best.
11-20-2017, 10:06 AM
#28
There are definitely a number of people that don't like the GT3 for the street. That's one of the reason you see them with many owners: someone wants the "top of the line" NA car and they get the GT3. Then they figure out it's too raw for them and switch off to a base or S. GT3 surely isn't for everyone. That's why they make the other models. And, if you're talking about "nice interior" "lack of vibrations" etc, then the GT3 is definitely not for you. They remove a lot of creature features for functionality. Probably a good decision for your needs to stay away from the GT3. If you're in the market for street "power" and flash, Turbo is the ticket.
But, at the track, every variant of the normal Carrera will get crushed by a GT3. That is it's DNA. It's not really a street car. It can be use on the street, but it's not optimal. Just like a normal Carrera can be used on the track -> it's possible, but not the right tool for the job. (for any questions on this point, there are tons of threads with people upgrading their "street" cars with GT3 parts...)
-td
But, at the track, every variant of the normal Carrera will get crushed by a GT3. That is it's DNA. It's not really a street car. It can be use on the street, but it's not optimal. Just like a normal Carrera can be used on the track -> it's possible, but not the right tool for the job. (for any questions on this point, there are tons of threads with people upgrading their "street" cars with GT3 parts...)
-td
When I was cross shopping Porsches back in late summer of 2012 the dealer I was at had a 17k mile white 997.1 GT3 for $76k. That was over 5 years ago. So there's definitely room to go low. With that said, I think the GT3 is one of the most overrated cars (For the street). After a very lengthy test drive (plus seat time in my buddies identical GT3 at the time) I ended up not buying it. Blasphemy, I know. But this was the only car on my radar for years. The power is non-existent until 5k. Front end also felt light and not planted. Rough ride with very dated interior and lots of rattles from the interior pieces. You have to ring it's neck to even have fun with it. Gutless below 4.5-5k. It does not feel fast. My 997.2 C2S is far more enjoyable. More useable power, without driving like an asshat. Even then, the GT3 definitely does not live up to the hype. It's a $60-65k car at best.
11-20-2017, 10:24 AM
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GT3s will always hold value, especially the old Mezger GT3 which really were not oroduced that long. Limited production, they look great, have a cult following and people will buy them to stuff into a garage and admire. Even factory aero kit cars hold value wellbecause they look the part. Unmolested Mezger examples will always be highly desired, even more so as time passes.
10 to 15 years ago, you couldn't give 3.2s, 964s and to some degree the NA 993s away and look what their prices did. I sold my 94 3.6 T for $58k in 2004 and I sold my 993tt S for $175k that same year. Look at those prices now.
The GT3 is fine for daily driving. I have used much harsher cars as commuters and for around town driving throughout the years.
The Porsche driver mentality certainly seems a bit different on this board than what I have generally experienced since the 80s. We were always hot rodding our cars and making them even more track worthy and better handling. No one complained about comfort and harsh rides, especially those of us that teethed on SCs and drove 930s, 965s and even the 993tts, to sone extent, as daily drivers throughout the 80s and 90s. The 997 is a cream puff compared to driving those as daily drivers in stop and go traffic.
10 to 15 years ago, you couldn't give 3.2s, 964s and to some degree the NA 993s away and look what their prices did. I sold my 94 3.6 T for $58k in 2004 and I sold my 993tt S for $175k that same year. Look at those prices now.
The GT3 is fine for daily driving. I have used much harsher cars as commuters and for around town driving throughout the years.
The Porsche driver mentality certainly seems a bit different on this board than what I have generally experienced since the 80s. We were always hot rodding our cars and making them even more track worthy and better handling. No one complained about comfort and harsh rides, especially those of us that teethed on SCs and drove 930s, 965s and even the 993tts, to sone extent, as daily drivers throughout the 80s and 90s. The 997 is a cream puff compared to driving those as daily drivers in stop and go traffic.
11-20-2017, 10:32 AM
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There are definitely a number of people that don't like the GT3 for the street. That's one of the reason you see them with many owners: someone wants the "top of the line" NA car and they get the GT3. Then they figure out it's too raw for them and switch off to a base or S. GT3 surely isn't for everyone. That's why they make the other models. And, if you're talking about "nice interior" "lack of vibrations" etc, then the GT3 is definitely not for you. They remove a lot of creature features for functionality. Probably a good decision for your needs to stay away from the GT3. If you're in the market for street "power" and flash, Turbo is the ticket.
But, at the track, every variant of the normal Carrera will get crushed by a GT3. That is it's DNA. It's not really a street car. It can be use on the street, but it's not optimal. Just like a normal Carrera can be used on the track -> it's possible, but not the right tool for the job. (for any questions on this point, there are tons of threads with people upgrading their "street" cars with GT3 parts...)
-td
But, at the track, every variant of the normal Carrera will get crushed by a GT3. That is it's DNA. It's not really a street car. It can be use on the street, but it's not optimal. Just like a normal Carrera can be used on the track -> it's possible, but not the right tool for the job. (for any questions on this point, there are tons of threads with people upgrading their "street" cars with GT3 parts...)
-td