99X name confusion
09-27-2010, 01:15 AM
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99X name confusion
Can someone please help me make some sense out of the Porsche nomenclature? For example is a 2009 911 Carrera S Cabriolet = 997.2
Can you match these 911 models up with the 99X.X designation and model year?
911 Carrera
911 Carrera Cabriolet
911 Carrera S
911 Carrera S Cabriolet
911 Carrera 4
911 Carrera 4 Cabriolet
911 Carrera 4S
911 Carrera 4S Cabriolet
997, 997.1, 997.2, 997. any others
2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010
Finally, why is the newest Porsche coming in 2012 named 991, a lower number than the current 997?
Can you match these 911 models up with the 99X.X designation and model year?
911 Carrera
911 Carrera Cabriolet
911 Carrera S
911 Carrera S Cabriolet
911 Carrera 4
911 Carrera 4 Cabriolet
911 Carrera 4S
911 Carrera 4S Cabriolet
997, 997.1, 997.2, 997. any others
2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010
Finally, why is the newest Porsche coming in 2012 named 991, a lower number than the current 997?
09-27-2010, 01:17 AM
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i just say 05-08 is 997.1 (997 (first generation))
09+ is 997.2 (997 (second generation)
the various models dont matter.
991 or 998, i dont know.. i hope its 998.
09+ is 997.2 (997 (second generation)
the various models dont matter.
991 or 998, i dont know.. i hope its 998.
09-27-2010, 02:10 AM
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You have to understand some Porsche history to know what this is all about.
Auftragsnummer
Porsche began as an engineering firm a long time ago (1930). They started with project number 7 (vice 1) to make it appear that they were not a new company..
Over time project numbers were sequentially assigned, e.g., 901 to the replacement auto for the 356. Due to trademark restrictions (where Peugeot owned all 3-number model numbers with a zero in the center place) Porsche revised the 901 to become the 911. In time further assignments were made. Everyone knows the cars generally by their project numbers but in some cases the marketing name has prevailed. For example, few owners of the Porsche Carrera GT refer it is as "my 980." Most would have no idea of what they are talking about. Ditto for the Cayenne which is really project number 955. Porsche 944 Turbo owners love to shorten the designation to a 951, but those numbers never appeared on the back of a 944 Turbo. Only those really familiar with the cars would know that, much like the 931. Most people recognize the 930 as the turbocharged 911 but the 931 was the turbocharged 924.
As many of you know the 911 was referred to by the plant as a 964 when it was introduced with all wheel drive in 1989 as a Carrera 4. Six months later the Carrera 2 came out but it was still a project 964 design. By 1995 the 993 came out but to the outside world it was just another Carrera, albeit with a new body style. In 1999 the watercooled cars arrived with the 996 project designation. And of course, nearly all of us here on the 997 forum know that the latest 997 was introduced in 2005 as a significant rework of the 996 car. Enough to get it its own "Auftragsnummer." Even the Boxster got renamed from the 986 to the 987 when sufficient changes were made to warrant calling it a new number.
As Porsche gets close to hitting the 1000th project number we're all fortunate that marketing names have become and remained the normal convention for Porsche. It's just a "Carrera" or a "Turbo" to the owners and drivers, yet you really must know the project numbers when you are researching parts or component compatibility. Could you imagine the complexity of trying to order a part for a Carrera 4S from 2005--when it is truly a 996 car, but released at the same time that the 997 cars first came out?
The Auftragsnummer is a useful tool for keeping track of what you are truly speaking of. The Panamera is known internally as a 970--but do you ever hear anyone calling it that? No. Because right now there is only one Panamera. Perhaps for them, in the future, there will be a 971.
For the next generation Carrera, it will be called the 991. Why not 998? Because Porsche AG makes the decision and we live with it. Clearly, they have something else in mind for 998. (Perhaps it was already used).
From the Wanderer (Project code 7) to the Porsche Carrera GTS (project code 997) Porsche calls the shots. When a minor facelift happens WE adopt a way of differentiating the differences by adopting 997.1 vice 997.2. (Even Porsche has begun to use that themselves) It just saves us all time when discussing oil changes, or engine designs, e.g., the DI engine vice the previous design.
Just remember that the words or numbers on the back deck of a Porsche are its marketing name. Porsche officianados recognize that "Carrera" is simply too vague a term in that it can refer to a 4-cam 356 from the 1950s, to a 1984 911, to a 1995 993, to a 1999 Carrera 996 to a 2005 Carrera (997).
Soon, you will hear guys talking about "my new 991" and comparing the virtues of it to that older "997" Carrera. Welcome to the club.
Auftragsnummer
Porsche began as an engineering firm a long time ago (1930). They started with project number 7 (vice 1) to make it appear that they were not a new company..
Over time project numbers were sequentially assigned, e.g., 901 to the replacement auto for the 356. Due to trademark restrictions (where Peugeot owned all 3-number model numbers with a zero in the center place) Porsche revised the 901 to become the 911. In time further assignments were made. Everyone knows the cars generally by their project numbers but in some cases the marketing name has prevailed. For example, few owners of the Porsche Carrera GT refer it is as "my 980." Most would have no idea of what they are talking about. Ditto for the Cayenne which is really project number 955. Porsche 944 Turbo owners love to shorten the designation to a 951, but those numbers never appeared on the back of a 944 Turbo. Only those really familiar with the cars would know that, much like the 931. Most people recognize the 930 as the turbocharged 911 but the 931 was the turbocharged 924.
As many of you know the 911 was referred to by the plant as a 964 when it was introduced with all wheel drive in 1989 as a Carrera 4. Six months later the Carrera 2 came out but it was still a project 964 design. By 1995 the 993 came out but to the outside world it was just another Carrera, albeit with a new body style. In 1999 the watercooled cars arrived with the 996 project designation. And of course, nearly all of us here on the 997 forum know that the latest 997 was introduced in 2005 as a significant rework of the 996 car. Enough to get it its own "Auftragsnummer." Even the Boxster got renamed from the 986 to the 987 when sufficient changes were made to warrant calling it a new number.
As Porsche gets close to hitting the 1000th project number we're all fortunate that marketing names have become and remained the normal convention for Porsche. It's just a "Carrera" or a "Turbo" to the owners and drivers, yet you really must know the project numbers when you are researching parts or component compatibility. Could you imagine the complexity of trying to order a part for a Carrera 4S from 2005--when it is truly a 996 car, but released at the same time that the 997 cars first came out?
The Auftragsnummer is a useful tool for keeping track of what you are truly speaking of. The Panamera is known internally as a 970--but do you ever hear anyone calling it that? No. Because right now there is only one Panamera. Perhaps for them, in the future, there will be a 971.
For the next generation Carrera, it will be called the 991. Why not 998? Because Porsche AG makes the decision and we live with it. Clearly, they have something else in mind for 998. (Perhaps it was already used).
From the Wanderer (Project code 7) to the Porsche Carrera GTS (project code 997) Porsche calls the shots. When a minor facelift happens WE adopt a way of differentiating the differences by adopting 997.1 vice 997.2. (Even Porsche has begun to use that themselves) It just saves us all time when discussing oil changes, or engine designs, e.g., the DI engine vice the previous design.
Just remember that the words or numbers on the back deck of a Porsche are its marketing name. Porsche officianados recognize that "Carrera" is simply too vague a term in that it can refer to a 4-cam 356 from the 1950s, to a 1984 911, to a 1995 993, to a 1999 Carrera 996 to a 2005 Carrera (997).
Soon, you will hear guys talking about "my new 991" and comparing the virtues of it to that older "997" Carrera. Welcome to the club.
09-27-2010, 11:57 AM
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You have to understand some Porsche history to know what this is all about.
Auftragsnummer
Porsche began as an engineering firm a long time ago (1930). They started with project number 7 (vice 1) to make it appear that they were not a new company..
Over time project numbers were sequentially assigned, e.g., 901 to the replacement auto for the 356. Due to trademark restrictions (where Peugeot owned all 3-number model numbers with a zero in the center place) Porsche revised the 901 to become the 911. In time further assignments were made. Everyone knows the cars generally by their project numbers but in some cases the marketing name has prevailed. For example, few owners of the Porsche Carrera GT refer it is as "my 980." Most would have no idea of what they are talking about. Ditto for the Cayenne which is really project number 955. Porsche 944 Turbo owners love to shorten the designation to a 951, but those numbers never appeared on the back of a 944 Turbo. Only those really familiar with the cars would know that, much like the 931. Most people recognize the 930 as the turbocharged 911 but the 931 was the turbocharged 924.
As many of you know the 911 was referred to by the plant as a 964 when it was introduced with all wheel drive in 1989 as a Carrera 4. Six months later the Carrera 2 came out but it was still a project 964 design. By 1995 the 993 came out but to the outside world it was just another Carrera, albeit with a new body style. In 1999 the watercooled cars arrived with the 996 project designation. And of course, nearly all of us here on the 997 forum know that the latest 997 was introduced in 2005 as a significant rework of the 996 car. Enough to get it its own "Auftragsnummer." Even the Boxster got renamed from the 986 to the 987 when sufficient changes were made to warrant calling it a new number.
As Porsche gets close to hitting the 1000th project number we're all fortunate that marketing names have become and remained the normal convention for Porsche. It's just a "Carrera" or a "Turbo" to the owners and drivers, yet you really must know the project numbers when you are researching parts or component compatibility. Could you imagine the complexity of trying to order a part for a Carrera 4S from 2005--when it is truly a 996 car, but released at the same time that the 997 cars first came out?
The Auftragsnummer is a useful tool for keeping track of what you are truly speaking of. The Panamera is known internally as a 970--but do you ever hear anyone calling it that? No. Because right now there is only one Panamera. Perhaps for them, in the future, there will be a 971.
For the next generation Carrera, it will be called the 991. Why not 998? Because Porsche AG makes the decision and we live with it. Clearly, they have something else in mind for 998. (Perhaps it was already used).
From the Wanderer (Project code 7) to the Porsche Carrera GTS (project code 997) Porsche calls the shots. When a minor facelift happens WE adopt a way of differentiating the differences by adopting 997.1 vice 997.2. (Even Porsche has begun to use that themselves) It just saves us all time when discussing oil changes, or engine designs, e.g., the DI engine vice the previous design.
Just remember that the words or numbers on the back deck of a Porsche are its marketing name. Porsche officianados recognize that "Carrera" is simply too vague a term in that it can refer to a 4-cam 356 from the 1950s, to a 1984 911, to a 1995 993, to a 1999 Carrera 996 to a 2005 Carrera (997).
Soon, you will hear guys talking about "my new 991" and comparing the virtues of it to that older "997" Carrera. Welcome to the club.
Auftragsnummer
Porsche began as an engineering firm a long time ago (1930). They started with project number 7 (vice 1) to make it appear that they were not a new company..
Over time project numbers were sequentially assigned, e.g., 901 to the replacement auto for the 356. Due to trademark restrictions (where Peugeot owned all 3-number model numbers with a zero in the center place) Porsche revised the 901 to become the 911. In time further assignments were made. Everyone knows the cars generally by their project numbers but in some cases the marketing name has prevailed. For example, few owners of the Porsche Carrera GT refer it is as "my 980." Most would have no idea of what they are talking about. Ditto for the Cayenne which is really project number 955. Porsche 944 Turbo owners love to shorten the designation to a 951, but those numbers never appeared on the back of a 944 Turbo. Only those really familiar with the cars would know that, much like the 931. Most people recognize the 930 as the turbocharged 911 but the 931 was the turbocharged 924.
As many of you know the 911 was referred to by the plant as a 964 when it was introduced with all wheel drive in 1989 as a Carrera 4. Six months later the Carrera 2 came out but it was still a project 964 design. By 1995 the 993 came out but to the outside world it was just another Carrera, albeit with a new body style. In 1999 the watercooled cars arrived with the 996 project designation. And of course, nearly all of us here on the 997 forum know that the latest 997 was introduced in 2005 as a significant rework of the 996 car. Enough to get it its own "Auftragsnummer." Even the Boxster got renamed from the 986 to the 987 when sufficient changes were made to warrant calling it a new number.
As Porsche gets close to hitting the 1000th project number we're all fortunate that marketing names have become and remained the normal convention for Porsche. It's just a "Carrera" or a "Turbo" to the owners and drivers, yet you really must know the project numbers when you are researching parts or component compatibility. Could you imagine the complexity of trying to order a part for a Carrera 4S from 2005--when it is truly a 996 car, but released at the same time that the 997 cars first came out?
The Auftragsnummer is a useful tool for keeping track of what you are truly speaking of. The Panamera is known internally as a 970--but do you ever hear anyone calling it that? No. Because right now there is only one Panamera. Perhaps for them, in the future, there will be a 971.
For the next generation Carrera, it will be called the 991. Why not 998? Because Porsche AG makes the decision and we live with it. Clearly, they have something else in mind for 998. (Perhaps it was already used).
From the Wanderer (Project code 7) to the Porsche Carrera GTS (project code 997) Porsche calls the shots. When a minor facelift happens WE adopt a way of differentiating the differences by adopting 997.1 vice 997.2. (Even Porsche has begun to use that themselves) It just saves us all time when discussing oil changes, or engine designs, e.g., the DI engine vice the previous design.
Just remember that the words or numbers on the back deck of a Porsche are its marketing name. Porsche officianados recognize that "Carrera" is simply too vague a term in that it can refer to a 4-cam 356 from the 1950s, to a 1984 911, to a 1995 993, to a 1999 Carrera 996 to a 2005 Carrera (997).
Soon, you will hear guys talking about "my new 991" and comparing the virtues of it to that older "997" Carrera. Welcome to the club.
Thank you for your informative explanation. Now I feel I know the Porsche secret handshake.
09-27-2010, 06:35 PM
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Dan - Complements on an excellent answer.
Perhaps I err,but had thought for the 993 and the 996 that the last two numbers reflected the respective "projects" originally intended European launch years, namely, 1993 and 1996.
Perhaps I err,but had thought for the 993 and the 996 that the last two numbers reflected the respective "projects" originally intended European launch years, namely, 1993 and 1996.
09-27-2010, 07:38 PM
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You have to understand some Porsche history to know what this is all about.
Auftragsnummer
Porsche began as an engineering firm a long time ago (1930). They started with project number 7 (vice 1) to make it appear that they were not a new company..
Over time project numbers were sequentially assigned, e.g., 901 to the replacement auto for the 356. Due to trademark restrictions (where Peugeot owned all 3-number model numbers with a zero in the center place) Porsche revised the 901 to become the 911. In time further assignments were made. Everyone knows the cars generally by their project numbers but in some cases the marketing name has prevailed. For example, few owners of the Porsche Carrera GT refer it is as "my 980." Most would have no idea of what they are talking about. Ditto for the Cayenne which is really project number 955. Porsche 944 Turbo owners love to shorten the designation to a 951, but those numbers never appeared on the back of a 944 Turbo. Only those really familiar with the cars would know that, much like the 931. Most people recognize the 930 as the turbocharged 911 but the 931 was the turbocharged 924.
As many of you know the 911 was referred to by the plant as a 964 when it was introduced with all wheel drive in 1989 as a Carrera 4. Six months later the Carrera 2 came out but it was still a project 964 design. By 1995 the 993 came out but to the outside world it was just another Carrera, albeit with a new body style. In 1999 the watercooled cars arrived with the 996 project designation. And of course, nearly all of us here on the 997 forum know that the latest 997 was introduced in 2005 as a significant rework of the 996 car. Enough to get it its own "Auftragsnummer." Even the Boxster got renamed from the 986 to the 987 when sufficient changes were made to warrant calling it a new number.
As Porsche gets close to hitting the 1000th project number we're all fortunate that marketing names have become and remained the normal convention for Porsche. It's just a "Carrera" or a "Turbo" to the owners and drivers, yet you really must know the project numbers when you are researching parts or component compatibility. Could you imagine the complexity of trying to order a part for a Carrera 4S from 2005--when it is truly a 996 car, but released at the same time that the 997 cars first came out?
The Auftragsnummer is a useful tool for keeping track of what you are truly speaking of. The Panamera is known internally as a 970--but do you ever hear anyone calling it that? No. Because right now there is only one Panamera. Perhaps for them, in the future, there will be a 971.
For the next generation Carrera, it will be called the 991. Why not 998? Because Porsche AG makes the decision and we live with it. Clearly, they have something else in mind for 998. (Perhaps it was already used).
From the Wanderer (Project code 7) to the Porsche Carrera GTS (project code 997) Porsche calls the shots. When a minor facelift happens WE adopt a way of differentiating the differences by adopting 997.1 vice 997.2. (Even Porsche has begun to use that themselves) It just saves us all time when discussing oil changes, or engine designs, e.g., the DI engine vice the previous design.
Just remember that the words or numbers on the back deck of a Porsche are its marketing name. Porsche officianados recognize that "Carrera" is simply too vague a term in that it can refer to a 4-cam 356 from the 1950s, to a 1984 911, to a 1995 993, to a 1999 Carrera 996 to a 2005 Carrera (997).
Soon, you will hear guys talking about "my new 991" and comparing the virtues of it to that older "997" Carrera. Welcome to the club.
Auftragsnummer
Porsche began as an engineering firm a long time ago (1930). They started with project number 7 (vice 1) to make it appear that they were not a new company..
Over time project numbers were sequentially assigned, e.g., 901 to the replacement auto for the 356. Due to trademark restrictions (where Peugeot owned all 3-number model numbers with a zero in the center place) Porsche revised the 901 to become the 911. In time further assignments were made. Everyone knows the cars generally by their project numbers but in some cases the marketing name has prevailed. For example, few owners of the Porsche Carrera GT refer it is as "my 980." Most would have no idea of what they are talking about. Ditto for the Cayenne which is really project number 955. Porsche 944 Turbo owners love to shorten the designation to a 951, but those numbers never appeared on the back of a 944 Turbo. Only those really familiar with the cars would know that, much like the 931. Most people recognize the 930 as the turbocharged 911 but the 931 was the turbocharged 924.
As many of you know the 911 was referred to by the plant as a 964 when it was introduced with all wheel drive in 1989 as a Carrera 4. Six months later the Carrera 2 came out but it was still a project 964 design. By 1995 the 993 came out but to the outside world it was just another Carrera, albeit with a new body style. In 1999 the watercooled cars arrived with the 996 project designation. And of course, nearly all of us here on the 997 forum know that the latest 997 was introduced in 2005 as a significant rework of the 996 car. Enough to get it its own "Auftragsnummer." Even the Boxster got renamed from the 986 to the 987 when sufficient changes were made to warrant calling it a new number.
As Porsche gets close to hitting the 1000th project number we're all fortunate that marketing names have become and remained the normal convention for Porsche. It's just a "Carrera" or a "Turbo" to the owners and drivers, yet you really must know the project numbers when you are researching parts or component compatibility. Could you imagine the complexity of trying to order a part for a Carrera 4S from 2005--when it is truly a 996 car, but released at the same time that the 997 cars first came out?
The Auftragsnummer is a useful tool for keeping track of what you are truly speaking of. The Panamera is known internally as a 970--but do you ever hear anyone calling it that? No. Because right now there is only one Panamera. Perhaps for them, in the future, there will be a 971.
For the next generation Carrera, it will be called the 991. Why not 998? Because Porsche AG makes the decision and we live with it. Clearly, they have something else in mind for 998. (Perhaps it was already used).
From the Wanderer (Project code 7) to the Porsche Carrera GTS (project code 997) Porsche calls the shots. When a minor facelift happens WE adopt a way of differentiating the differences by adopting 997.1 vice 997.2. (Even Porsche has begun to use that themselves) It just saves us all time when discussing oil changes, or engine designs, e.g., the DI engine vice the previous design.
Just remember that the words or numbers on the back deck of a Porsche are its marketing name. Porsche officianados recognize that "Carrera" is simply too vague a term in that it can refer to a 4-cam 356 from the 1950s, to a 1984 911, to a 1995 993, to a 1999 Carrera 996 to a 2005 Carrera (997).
Soon, you will hear guys talking about "my new 991" and comparing the virtues of it to that older "997" Carrera. Welcome to the club.
Very nice post!
Just some more information and a correction for the start of the company and of the “auftragsnummer”, which literally means tracking number.
Ferdinand Porsche at the age of 25 in 1900 designed the Lohner-Porsche.
From 1900 to 1929 he worked for Daimler, Steyr, Auto Union and Volkswagen designing some very well known cars..
When he decided to stop working for others he began taking money from friends and on March 1931 he registered his own company in Germany.
On February of 1932 they released the first car which had the internal name type 7 because the previous 6 designs didn't make it past the drawing room, car was the 1932 Wardener.
In this picture Ferry Porsche the son of Ferdinand is at the wheel testing the Wardener for which he helped with the design of some parts and also did the driving tests.
Later in 1934 Ferry raced the Wardener..
John
