Buying 996 Turbo S vs 997 turbo
10-08-2016, 01:01 PM
#17
If you want a fun car to just drive around and you're not really interested in wrenching, don't get a heavily modified car. They tend to need a lot more attention than stock.
10-08-2016, 06:35 PM
#18
Nordschleife Master
I have worked on many examples of both (fantastic cars) and driven both extensively. I obviously own a 996TT and my father owns a 997TT. I have driven examples that are stock and heavily modified.
I personally prefer the 997TT.
There are alot of things that can be debated between the two and I am sure owners of their respective model will be willing to land their opinion on the side of the model they own.
However, This is my list of why I prefer the model.
1. Manual Gearbox Change the new gearbox in the 997.1TT is fantastic
2. Automatic Gearbox are the same but the 997 added launch control is fantastic.
3. Front Differential is a big step forward over the 996 unit.
4. Suspension Geometry Changes
5. The combo of list items 3 and 4 make for a car that feels lighter, nimbler and more responsive.
6. Brakes, while not a massive change over a 996 Turbo S the 997 Turbo does have a huge advantage of brake packaging over the regular 996 Turbo.
Why I don't like the 997 Turbo over the 996 Turbo>
1. Cost way more $$$
2. Camshaft Sleeve problems
3. Plastic Pipe Elbows in addition to the need to Pin/Weld coolant pipes.
-Your Pal
Fishey
I personally prefer the 997TT.
There are alot of things that can be debated between the two and I am sure owners of their respective model will be willing to land their opinion on the side of the model they own.
However, This is my list of why I prefer the model.
1. Manual Gearbox Change the new gearbox in the 997.1TT is fantastic
2. Automatic Gearbox are the same but the 997 added launch control is fantastic.
3. Front Differential is a big step forward over the 996 unit.
4. Suspension Geometry Changes
5. The combo of list items 3 and 4 make for a car that feels lighter, nimbler and more responsive.
6. Brakes, while not a massive change over a 996 Turbo S the 997 Turbo does have a huge advantage of brake packaging over the regular 996 Turbo.
Why I don't like the 997 Turbo over the 996 Turbo>
1. Cost way more $$$
2. Camshaft Sleeve problems
3. Plastic Pipe Elbows in addition to the need to Pin/Weld coolant pipes.
-Your Pal
Fishey
10-08-2016, 09:33 PM
#19
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Originally Posted by Fishey
I have worked on many examples of both (fantastic cars) and driven both extensively. I obviously own a 996TT and my father owns a 997TT. I have driven examples that are stock and heavily modified.
I personally prefer the 997TT.
There are alot of things that can be debated between the two and I am sure owners of their respective model will be willing to land their opinion on the side of the model they own.
However, This is my list of why I prefer the model.
1. Manual Gearbox Change the new gearbox in the 997.1TT is fantastic
2. Automatic Gearbox are the same but the 997 added launch control is fantastic.
3. Front Differential is a big step forward over the 996 unit.
4. Suspension Geometry Changes
5. The combo of list items 3 and 4 make for a car that feels lighter, nimbler and more responsive.
6. Brakes, while not a massive change over a 996 Turbo S the 997 Turbo does have a huge advantage of brake packaging over the regular 996 Turbo.
Why I don't like the 997 Turbo over the 996 Turbo>
1. Cost way more $$$
2. Camshaft Sleeve problems
3. Plastic Pipe Elbows in addition to the need to Pin/Weld coolant pipes.
-Your Pal
Fishey
I personally prefer the 997TT.
There are alot of things that can be debated between the two and I am sure owners of their respective model will be willing to land their opinion on the side of the model they own.
However, This is my list of why I prefer the model.
1. Manual Gearbox Change the new gearbox in the 997.1TT is fantastic
2. Automatic Gearbox are the same but the 997 added launch control is fantastic.
3. Front Differential is a big step forward over the 996 unit.
4. Suspension Geometry Changes
5. The combo of list items 3 and 4 make for a car that feels lighter, nimbler and more responsive.
6. Brakes, while not a massive change over a 996 Turbo S the 997 Turbo does have a huge advantage of brake packaging over the regular 996 Turbo.
Why I don't like the 997 Turbo over the 996 Turbo>
1. Cost way more $$$
2. Camshaft Sleeve problems
3. Plastic Pipe Elbows in addition to the need to Pin/Weld coolant pipes.
-Your Pal
Fishey
So if I never drive the 997 I'll never know the difference
. If I pm you the receipts for the mods could you give me your thoughts??? Or actually email them to you??? Let me know. Thanks fishey
10-10-2016, 02:15 PM
#20
Need more info...color? Options? Manual? Auto?
I prefer newer but due to budget, I went with a fairly low mile, rare biarritz white/aero/6spd/black interior 996 TT that already had a bunch of mods.
Even after an unforseen high-end trans rebuild and a bunch of additional mods (which will get me to a near 700hp 996 beast), I'm still only at low-mile stock 997TT pricing territory. My 996 will now go, turn and brake just as good if not better than any 997.
Given that I have to mod the heck out of anything I buy, I'll be in this 996tt for $75k - 80k, where I'd be in the 997tt to the tune of 100 - 110k. With some interior updates (seats, wheel, carbon, head unit, etc), my 996 doesn't feel so dated. In the end, I'm happy with what I've got. Hung out with some 997 GT3 RS dudes over the weekend and my 996 was just as fast as their $140k - $180k+ cars. Not as new, pretty, or as aggressive looking but just as fast!
If only it weren't for those dreaded 996 headlights...
I prefer newer but due to budget, I went with a fairly low mile, rare biarritz white/aero/6spd/black interior 996 TT that already had a bunch of mods.
Even after an unforseen high-end trans rebuild and a bunch of additional mods (which will get me to a near 700hp 996 beast), I'm still only at low-mile stock 997TT pricing territory. My 996 will now go, turn and brake just as good if not better than any 997.
Given that I have to mod the heck out of anything I buy, I'll be in this 996tt for $75k - 80k, where I'd be in the 997tt to the tune of 100 - 110k. With some interior updates (seats, wheel, carbon, head unit, etc), my 996 doesn't feel so dated. In the end, I'm happy with what I've got. Hung out with some 997 GT3 RS dudes over the weekend and my 996 was just as fast as their $140k - $180k+ cars. Not as new, pretty, or as aggressive looking but just as fast!
If only it weren't for those dreaded 996 headlights...
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10-10-2016, 08:34 PM
#21
Simply from a driving standpoint, the 997 is a much more pleasing car to drive, the shifter is better, the interior is better, the seating position better, stereo better, gauges, seats, pretty much the whole interior. The car also looks better.
As for the coolant issue, it it the same as the 996, but the cars are newer and there were many less produced, leading to less overall failures. If the "glue" has changed from 996 to 997.1 it hasn't changed much. Again production numbers will limit total amount of failures, but percentage numbers will probably not change.
As for the coolant issue, it it the same as the 996, but the cars are newer and there were many less produced, leading to less overall failures. If the "glue" has changed from 996 to 997.1 it hasn't changed much. Again production numbers will limit total amount of failures, but percentage numbers will probably not change.
10-11-2016, 10:57 PM
#23
Much more than subjective D*ck, since I own and drive both a 2004 turbo and 2007 turbo. Do you own a 997 turbo? Then your response is definately subjective, and the usual foolish response from you.
Since I drive both cars on a daily basis, mixed in with 15 other cars, I can tell you the 997 interior is much better than the 996. The car is nicer all around, wider, better looking, better steering, more comfortable.
Since I drive both cars on a daily basis, mixed in with 15 other cars, I can tell you the 997 interior is much better than the 996. The car is nicer all around, wider, better looking, better steering, more comfortable.
10-11-2016, 11:10 PM
#24
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That is a subjective assessment.
Last edited by Dock; 10-11-2016 at 11:40 PM.
10-11-2016, 11:23 PM
#25
hes the subjective master.
then there is this chap right here. Id take his opinion on the matter over most.
then there is this chap right here. Id take his opinion on the matter over most.
Originally Posted by Chris Harris
The 996 Turbo remains the stand-out version of the force-fed 911 for me. It had a huge impact on what we now expect from usable performance cars, and as a package in many ways it’s a more enjoyable car to drive than the 997 version. The steering is especially superb, the four-wheel drive system always seems to make the car feel rear-wheel drive until some front-drive is absolutely necessary. The GT3 badge has now passed into legend, but it’s worth remembering that back in 2000 the 996 Turbo was a much more impressive car than the first GT3. With the later X50 pack fitted it was, and still is an absolute weapon.
In many ways the 993 Turbo is the car of the moment – values have been creeping up for a while and it does tick all the boxes for a potential investment. By 996 standards, the 993 was delivered in tiny quantities, it is to some eyes prettier, more compact and of course the engine compartment contains no water. The reason I have never quite understood the price premium of the 993 series cars is that I much prefer the way the 996 drives: the gearshift is better, the handling and performance are far more accessible and the driving position is much more adjustable. Boring, but true.
I ran a 996 Turbo back in 2006, it was everything I’d hoped it would be. It replaced a 996 GT2 and despite having none of the cool factor and not being as ludicrous in a straight line, it was a much better road car: faster in most circumstances too. I can remember asking myself several times what should replace it, but there was nothing else that could cover all those bases. In some ways there still isn’t.
In many ways the 993 Turbo is the car of the moment – values have been creeping up for a while and it does tick all the boxes for a potential investment. By 996 standards, the 993 was delivered in tiny quantities, it is to some eyes prettier, more compact and of course the engine compartment contains no water. The reason I have never quite understood the price premium of the 993 series cars is that I much prefer the way the 996 drives: the gearshift is better, the handling and performance are far more accessible and the driving position is much more adjustable. Boring, but true.
I ran a 996 Turbo back in 2006, it was everything I’d hoped it would be. It replaced a 996 GT2 and despite having none of the cool factor and not being as ludicrous in a straight line, it was a much better road car: faster in most circumstances too. I can remember asking myself several times what should replace it, but there was nothing else that could cover all those bases. In some ways there still isn’t.
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10-12-2016, 02:07 AM
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Much more than subjective D*ck, since I own and drive both a 2004 turbo and 2007 turbo. Do you own a 997 turbo? Then your response is definately subjective, and the usual foolish response from you.
Since I drive both cars on a daily basis, mixed in with 15 other cars, I can tell you the 997 interior is much better than the 996. The car is nicer all around, wider, better looking, better steering, more comfortable.
Since I drive both cars on a daily basis, mixed in with 15 other cars, I can tell you the 997 interior is much better than the 996. The car is nicer all around, wider, better looking, better steering, more comfortable.
10-12-2016, 02:28 AM
#28
996 is more fun, 997 adds more refinement
Offer me a 997 GT2 in trade for my 996 GT2 and the answer is no, 'smart' or not...buy what you like to drive/what makes you smile...
Offer me a 997 GT2 in trade for my 996 GT2 and the answer is no, 'smart' or not...buy what you like to drive/what makes you smile...
10-12-2016, 11:29 AM
#30
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997tt doesn't feel raw like the 996tt does. As far as interior goes I prefer the 996 with the windows buttons on the center console.
The 997tt fog lights ruin the looks of the front end. I like the rear wing and turbo intakes of the 997tt but that alone and with the numbness of the 997tt steering feel I would choose the 996tt.
The 997tt fog lights ruin the looks of the front end. I like the rear wing and turbo intakes of the 997tt but that alone and with the numbness of the 997tt steering feel I would choose the 996tt.