gophaster

Wow, I honestly did not think it would flip that high/easily. +didn't even take new photos for the advert There are definitely folks taking positions in 996TT and willing to pay solid money for them.

Great investigating! I visited the auction house website a couple times to see if they posted the results. Was going to shoot them an email.

Probably not the last time we see that car. Wouldn't be surprised if it turns up at a more Porsche oriented auction and gets into the 6 digits

AZPcarfan

Thanks; I guess I bought into the perceived benefit as pitched, partly because I only investigated so much as I just can't see spending that much for brakes and I HATE yellow. My overall point is just that I think the red brakes are great and the cost threat of PCCB's are going to make a lot of folks shy away. Granted less dust would be great but there are cheaper ways to at least reduce that issue. The longer service interval is only so relevant as the standard brakes last fairly long anyway other than track use. Again, very few cars actually see the track in the first place. To me, none of the gains hold much against $20K for 4 rotors esp since it is a when not an if expenditure.

As to the car a few posts back that was on Ebay; it was ended early because it is no longer available. I wonder if the dealer learned about the recent trajectory or if they sold it?

manimal

Great summary on PCCB's, thank you Scott.

autobonrun

AZP, I'm definitely not going to try to change your opinion but I'll offer an additional view. I have three generations of Porsches with 3 generations of brakes. My 993 has the 4 piston big reds that come on the 993 turbo and they have amazing stopping power. The PCCB brakes on my 996, even on the street, outperform the steel big reds. This is not a knock on the 4 piston units, they are far superior to most cars' braking systems. Porsches have always been known for their brakes. All three of my Porsche brakes are much better than the brakes on my M5. So to support what you said, in most all driving situations one will encounter, steel brake rotors are exceptional and all that's needed. In controlled situations, I've put my cars through emergency stop tests and I can tell you the PCCB braking is more brutal and the stopping distances much shorter before ABS kicks in. Knock on wood, I've never had an emergency braking situation arise while driving on the street. But I can tell you if someone's kid runs out in front of a Porsche, a three foot stopping distance advantage can be all it takes; PCCB brakes provides the advantage of a shorter stopping distance in panic situations. I'm sure in the future, PCCB's will be old news and something better will come along. That's just the way of technology.

Personally, I think the fear of replacing PCCB rotors is over rated. Nothing says you have to replace PCCB rotors with PCCB rotors. That is a personal choice. The same option to go to steel rotors exists for the PCCB owner that exists for the owner that doesn't have PCCB brakes. So the replacement cost you must incur is no more than for replacing standard rotors. Now if you want to maintain the PCCB system for resale or whatever, then yes PCCB replacement is expensive. Just my opinion.

(and no brake dust)

TrackDays247.com

Well put!

For street use, I LOVE the PCCBs...less brake dust for one, and the rotor size just LOOKS great....

Dock

I'm thinking that the steel brakes and PCCB's are capable of producing the same deceleration rate (all other factors being equal).

Carlo_Carrera

Other factors can never be equal. All the brake components are made of very different materials.

Dock

If "panic situations" mean ABS engagement, then for panic stops in normal street driving there shouldn't be a three foot stopping distance difference (all other factors being equal) as both steel brakes and PCCB's are capable of generating enough deceleration to engage the ABS.

AZPcarfan

One word: tires and all that that implies..

There are just too many variables involved; honestly, this is just reverse butt dyno-ing.. Seat belt dyno-ing maybe?

I'm not really that negative on PCCB's, I just think that if one is realistic about their value they just don't make sense. The best thing anyone can really come up with is less brake dust! I could hire someone to come to my house and wash my wheels weekly for less. Or, I could spend a few hours and wax my wheels and then buy a 944 track car and many sets of tires and track days..

Dock

+1

Berra

Better steering feel, better ride due to lower weight of rotating mass, lower weight, more durable, better brake pedal feel, no dust, doesn't fade when braking repeatedly.

AZPcarfan

Sorry for the slow response, I was admiring the sunrise over the ocean from my deck here in Tucson..

Carlo_Carrera

The most important benefit of PCCBs is their light weight. Reducing unsprung mass is an easy way the achieve major performance gains.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unsprung_mass

Lower unsprung mass makes the car accelerate and decelerate quicker.

Berra

I'll be sure to write that down on a post it.

AZPcarfan

I only trademarked for the U.S. so feel free to use it with reasonable discretion..

While I was certainly being overtly sarcastic, my point was that ride quality is very subjective. How did you reach the conclusion that the PCCB car rides better? Did you have access to two otherwise identically equipped and prepared cars to drive back/back? Sorry, but really..

With that, how about we stop discussing PCCB's? I'm sure there are countless threads on the topic so let's call it a truce and get back to the skyrocketing values of 996TT's

Anyone have any idea how often Haggerty updates their values? I keep checking to see if the recent auctions will be reflected but nothing has changed..